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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    How about a demo of your grad school smarts?

    Pick a pesticide, and estimate (based on the Johnson study) how much would partition into royal jelly from contaminated wax (using the Wu or Mullin study as a source for pesticide data).

    Then, give an analysis of the effects on brood, etc., based on that.

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    How about a demo of your grad school smarts?

    Pick a pesticide, and estimate (based on the Johnson study) how much would partition into royal jelly from contaminated wax (using the Wu or Mullin study as a source for pesticide data).

    Then, give an analysis of the effects on brood, etc., based on that.
    Not enough info. You're the one who claims to know everything around here, so you go for it. I have a job.

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by SantaFeBeek View Post
    No one denied that, but what we are discussing is how much contamination bees are exposed to from wax, not how much contamination wax is exposed to from bees.
    Is that symantics???

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    SF:

    You're still in grad school? I meant Sol. There's enough information in each of the studies to do an estimate for the fractions in wax and honey (no royal jelly, but it will do).

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Semantics are how humans communicate. To criticize their use is unwise.
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I meant Sol.
    I'm not going to be your bicycle riding bear. Do it yourself.
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    I bet you take good notes.

    Application of knowledge is the key.

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    I wish I could be in grad school studying bees, but no, gotta study something that will make money.
    Bees won't make money??? was that a joke? I thought the demand was wayyyyy pass the supply?????

    I know that my country is only producing 8% of the demand here!

    sorry to go a bit of topic! but would hate to think I just jumped into somthing that's not going to turn a profit, though i am enjoying it none the less.

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by SantaFeBeek View Post

    Has anyone seen any studies regarding transfer coefficients of these chemicals from wax into honey? That would be interesting!

    My conclusion, as usual, is that we don't know as much as we assume that we do.
    Such studies have been done. Dr. Maryanne Frazier of Penn State is probably a good person to search for such studies. What I recall from talks at Bee Meetings is that the Pesticides are found in higher concentrations in beeswax than they are in honey, since most pesticides are oil based. Which doesn't mean they don't show up in Honey, just in lower trace amounts.

    I don't know as much as I think I do and no where near as much as I wish I did. Not that I am going to work very hard to remedy the deficite.
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    I believe means joke.
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    I think everyone needs to go and indulge in their fav adult beverage, copiously, and lick their wounds JMHO
    Must be the summer solstice,

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Then try getting an egg to stand on end.

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    So, let's say 5 to 10 ug mixed pesticide per sheet of waxed plastic foundation. We can always estimate how many bees live on a frame, right?
    Well, no, I don't think we can estimate how many bees live on a frame. What would be the point. It's the larvae and pupae which are effected by the chemical residue found nin the comb. These chemicals are numerous, not simply one on it's own, but a mixture. That mixture is what Maryanne Frazier feels is most detrimental to the bee's development, because of the unknown interaction of the different chemicals.
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Then try getting an egg to stand on end.
    A Popeye laugh is heard aaakkkakakakakka,, something like that

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Bees bring contaminants into the hive all the time.

    It could easily go from nectar or pollen into the wax, etc. .

    Fellas, it's not a one way street.
    More like a tree or a web I would say. By what means are bees bringing in the chemical residues which come from pesticides not put in beehives by beekeepers? Is it in the nectyar? Is it in the pollen? Does it get on the bees body while foraging and gets transfered to the wax? Does contaminated nectar get made into wax, which is made into comb? All of the above?
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Then try getting an egg to stand on end.
    Queens do it all the time.
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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    I agree that metirc is best for doing the math (especially the way I do math). But 0.1mm is about 0.004" (which is a number I understand)...quite thick.

    This is a bit OT, but....It has been suggested to me (and based on my experience in manufacturing I tend to believe it) that there is one area in which metric falls short of the english system...and that is in machining/manufacturing. Because of the physical properties and the processes of manufacture (turning, milling), it turns out that 0.001" is a very useful increment. With decently made machine tools, 0.001" tolerance is easily achievable...with excellent tools, 0.0005" is not a problem. Most machined fittings work happily with 0.001" tolerance (some applications require honing or grinding which are capable of tighter tolerances).

    Not so much with metric. 0.1mm is about .004" (when I used to make handmade piccolos for a living, we used #71 and #73 drills for different operations...these are 0.026" and 0.23" in diameter...with some experience I could tell just by looking which one it was). ...but 0.01mm is 0.0004" ...a hard increment to machine accurately without the best of tooling. .1mm is too big to be a useful base measurement, and .01mm is too small. Yes, this is OT, but I can't let an opportunity go by without sticking it to the metric system

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Queens do it all the time.
    Yeah...but try asking her to make it stand on end for 3 days and see what happens!

    deknow

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by cerezha View Post
    exactly this is what says in link you provided:
    Environmental impact
    Main article: Imidacloprid effects on bees ...
    ...Neonicotinoid use has been strictly limited in France since the 1990s...
    In 2008 Germany revoked the registration of clothianidin for use on seed corn after an incident that resulted in the death of hundreds of nearby honey bees....
    The German incident was well documented to be caused by improper application / handling of the pesticide causing it to go airborne as dust and it was literally blown into the hives.

    That said that incident was an anomolly and much different than the standard contact bees will have with the chemical and how it accumulates in the comb (which is the topic of this thread).

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    Default Re: Can someone please explain the Foundationless hype to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    How about a demo of your grad school smarts?
    Knock off the snide remarks.
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