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  1. #1
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    Default Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I am thinking about buying some of Kellys foundationless frames, and would like to hear from someone who has them, what their bees think of them?
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I bought 50 of these frames last year. Used 10 so far. I placed the frames between drawn frames and the bees did well with them. I plan on using the other 40 later this year when I find the place I apparently hid them from myself.
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I like them & my bees like them. No problems yet with them and as with any Kelley product, they are nice, heavy duty frames too.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    In my opinion the side bars are to thin, they want to squeeze together in the hive causing the frame spacing to be to close. But my problem could be that I make my own boxes and they are not a perfect fit like Kelly's would be. I would go with wedge top frames especially if Mann's still has free shipping I bought 120 frames for 108 dollars last month.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Love the kelly frames. Robust, easy to assemble, and the girls seem to love them!

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Thanks for starting this thread. Soon after I said I had some but they were misplaced, I found them. If you want, I can post some photos of the frames. They are rough compared to mannlake frames. However, they fit together much tighter and hold themselves together better when assembling. Right now I do it one frame at a time. If I had a jig, it would not matter one bit.
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    We bought 400 of them the beginning of this season and have about 250 of them in hives. The bees seem to like them, and they were easy to assemble.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Downside is they don't extract worth a darn.... don't know how you run, but I extract a lot of deep frames in the fall.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    Downside is they don't extract worth a darn.... don't know how you run, but I extract a lot of deep frames in the fall.
    I wouldn;t think of extracting foundationless frames with out support, YMMV. I have heard of people using fishing line opposed to standard frame wire.

    I am curious how well the medium foundationless frames to extracting. 90% of all my honey super are foundationless medium frames.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I agree with jdg1938. I bought 50 and had several of the side bars split inserting the top bar. I've never had that hapen with a wedge top bar.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I was unimpressed with the frames I bought. Maybe I got a bad batch. The end bars did not slip into the top bar. They were to tight and split like said above. I had to go back and remove material so that they would fit. Also had to modify bottom bar. If I would have assembled as they came the overall height would have been 9 1/4"-9 5/16". I just bought frames from dadant. Extremely nice. I will buy from them again.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames





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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Thanks Nick, did you have any trouble with the end bars, like some other people have?
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    The only issue I really have had is with the bottom bar splintering if I use a 1/4 staple to hold it down. The staple is just not wide enough to span the gap in the bottom bar. The splintering does not happen when I use a 18 gauge 1" brad in the bottom bar.

    My frames are mediums and I did not measure the height of the finished frame. Each frame is glued and then held together by 8 brads or 4 staples.
    Nick Hubbell
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I got my frames today and just got done putting 50 of them together. I used a staple on the tops and a couple of nails in the bottoms. I had no trouble with any of the frames at all. They went together nice tight, and square. I made the jig that was shown somewhere on here, thanks for that that, and thanks everone else.
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Quote Originally Posted by sfisher View Post
    I am thinking about buying some of Kellys foundationless frames, and would like to hear from someone who has them, what their bees think of them?
    I have not use WTK foundationless frame, but have used their 17n, Medium frames in between drawn frames and they have no problem going straight down the frame. I thought about buying some, but 17ns work just fine

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    Kangaroo, what do the bees use for a guide to start their combs?
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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    I place the empty frames in-between 2 drawn frames and they have no problem drawing it straight.

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    So there is no comb guide what so ever?

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    Default Re: Walter Kelly Foundationless frames

    >So there is no comb guide what so ever?

    A drawn brood comb on each side is a very effective comb guide.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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