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  1. #1
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    Default odd hive setup...

    a few weeks ago, my bees were bearding and i was going to add a second super to my langstroth hive. i had one person suggesting to set the hive up as follows:

    bottom board, medium super, Queen excluder, deep brood box, deep brood box, queen excluder, medium super, lid.

    has anyone heard of this before? i found it odd... but, i'm a new beek...

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    hi you were correct with your original plan. let the other beekeeper screw up his own bees. lol good luck

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    Never heard of that setup but I'm sure that beekeeping in Tucson is different from keeping 'em in Maine.

    I would guess the idea behind the strategy might be to provide some hanging-out space below the brood boxes by using the lower queen excluder. That would give the idle workers space in the cooler part of the hive. Sinve I don't use queen excluders on my hive, I wouldn't bother with the upper one but that's just my preference.

    Might be worth a try. Hope hot-weather beekers can help.

    Wayne

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    It will also protect the hive from usurpation by AHB swarms -- the AFB queen will not be able to get into the brood box.

    That may or may not work, but in an area known to have AFB, might not be a bad idea.

    If the plan is to prevent swarming, I'd think it's a rather poor idea.

    Peter

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    Well, one thing for sure, with this set up all your drones are trapped inside the hive.
    Mike Forbes
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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    Never seen or heard of that down here in the warm lands. But I wont knock it till I have tried it, so I just wont knock it. As stated above you will trap all your drones in the hive and as they die they could become a problem since the bees cant get them out of the hive. Personally I wouldnt reccomend it.

    psisk

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    >Well, one thing for sure, with this set up all your drones are trapped inside the hive.

    Exactly. In a very short amount of time both excluders will be totally blocked by dead drones wedged into every gap.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    okay- quick addendum... what if the two brood boxes were off-set by 1/2 inch? (thus providing two entrances between the two excluders)

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    The only reason I can figure for running the original set up is defense against AHB usurpation, offsetting the hives would negate that defense because if a drone can fit....a queen can fit.
    Mike Forbes
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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    right... so the only possible benefit to this would be cooling the hive?

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    I never have done the offset thing due to rain. Instead I prop the cover up a bit if I feel they need some ventalation.
    Mike Forbes
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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    i was told early on by a very reliable source that rain introduced into the hive via offset boxes has no affect on the bees. All my double brood box hives are offset like this and i recently started propping up the lid as well.... it gets hotter than hades here in AZ....

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    A lot of hives around the alfalfa fields are in the direct sun in my area and they don't appear to be offset. My hives were in the full sun and I had a few bees near the entrance fanning. Assumed they were trying to move air to cool the hive. I got some shade for them and they stopped fanning.
    I haven't shimmed the top of my hives but I do have screened bottoms now. After this last dust storm/ microburst, I would be afraid to offset my hives for fear of tipping over.

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    I haven't heard of it and I don't know why you would do it. What is it suppose to accomplish besides trapping all the drones?
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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    I for one, never use queen excluders.

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    >okay- quick addendum... what if the two brood boxes were off-set by 1/2 inch? (thus providing two entrances between the two excluders)

    Then the drones wouldn't get trapped, but then I fail to see the purpose in the first place unless it is to keep the queen in (which always results in the drones being trapped). I don't use excluders at all and see no useful purpose for them unless I'm queen rearing or some other thing that I need to quickly find a queen often in that hive.

    >i was told early on by a very reliable source that rain introduced into the hive via offset boxes has no affect on the bees.

    I have done it many times and have seen no ill effects from rain. In a pinch I've often used a board for a lid that was slid back to leave a gap facing the sky with no ill effects. The water just runs down the front of the hive.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: odd hive setup...

    thanks for all the input- it can sometimes be tricky figuring out fact from opinion, especially for us newbies. I think this thread answers my question, along with reassurance that i'm, at the least, not on the wrong track!

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