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  1. #1
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    Default Packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Just wanted to give a shout out to Brad aka Bluegrass. He delivered three packages to me in the night (he was running a bit late) on his trip north.
    His packages were some of the healthiest I have seen. Installed the next morning and they have been working for a couple of days now. Take a look at how few dead bees there are in this package.

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    Raising Vermont Bees one mistake at a time.
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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Thanks Keth. The quality of the packages is owed to Gardner/Spell bee. I do my best to take good care of them in transit, but it takes a good package to start with if it is going to look good on arrival.
    Late is an understatement . Hope you didn't have to wait too long. It is a long trip back with very little sleep... I was pretty well spent by the time I arrived.

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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    I finished installing mine from Brad today, I was probably why he was late to VT. All were in great shape and I'll second the dead bee comment, very few in each box. I had a couple much more experienced beeks than I comment on the condition of them as being super also. Thirty seven queens direct released and 12 in their cages for another couple days. Thanks Brad.

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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Err...the packages looked good...very few dead bees.

    At least 4 of the 15 I installed in one spot had virgins in the package...killing the mated queen that accounts for a.significant percentage of the cost of the package.

    The post on beesource I responded to stated.that they were.coming from rossmans...which is a big reason I purchased them......not gardner/spell.

    The worst of it is that the delivery was.moved.up a.week, and I was never.called, emailed, or pm. I got a call a.week before they were supposed to arrive that he was in a mall parkinglot 2 hours away.

    Ken was fantastic, and took responsibility for transporting and caring for.the packages overnight. Brad owes you big time, you saved his Bacon.

    Deknow

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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Deknow
    Rossman's was unable to fill the order which is why these came from Gardner. Many of Rossman's orders are coming from Gardner this season. Fred is experiencing a queen shortage.

    You are the first person I have ever had who complained about packages showing up early... I owned up to the oversight and apologized for it when I called you the next day. I asked if you needed anything more from me and you stated no. I would have gotten your packages to you or refunded your money on them one way or another. If you didn't want the packages all you had to do was say so and I had other people who would have bought them. It doesn't matter who you buy packages from... Unless you are handling them yourself things get missed...

    Again: Sorry for the oversight. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me and get over it.

    Brad

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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Dude, I sent you just over $1500 months in advance, and I didn't get what you advertised or what I paid for. You were unable to contact me to let me know they would be early or that the source had changed.

    I did everything I was supposed to do...I sent you a check, I gave you good contact information, and I was prepared for the bees (and the pickup) when they were supposed to arrive.

    You didn't contact me to let me know that they would be early (it takes having some equipment on hand to hive 20 packages).

    You didn't let me know that the supplier had changed....I had no idea until I went to Ken's house the next day and saw the way the queen cages were installed...not how Rossman does it.

    Despite the good appearances, there were virgins in many of the packages...something that can't be determined by looking at the package, or when installing (as there were attendants in the cages keeping the caged queens from being killed).

    What is it you want me to get over? The truth about our transaction?

    I sent you over $1500, and I think I have the right to expect to be told if the packages are going to be early...especially if I have to drive 2 hours to meet you (which I was perfectly happy to do).

    If it does not matter who the packages come from, why did you specify they were coming from Rossmans in the first place? If the supplier can't keep virgins out of the packages it certainly matters...at least as far as the laying queens go.

    The quality of the packages is owed to Gardner/Spell bee. I do my best to take good care of them in transit, but it takes a good package to start with if it is going to look good on arrival.
    ...so it _does_ matter who the supplier is, no? ...and if there are disease (or other problems) down the road, it also certainly matters.

    Please don't tell me to "get over it". I doubt anyone is going to offer to send me mated queens to replace the ones that I paid for that were killed (or took off) due to virgins in the package....are they?

    I will take a look again today and count up the installed colonies with virgins...but 25% (which is my low estimate) is way too high.

    deknow

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    Default Re: Great packages from Bluegrass . . .

    To be clear...virgins in the package are not the fault of the shipper (bluegrass)...except that experience with Rossmans (over many years...the supplier that the bees were supposed to come from) shows that this is a rare occurence from some suppliers.

    I'm wondering if that is why there were attendants in the queen cages...perhaps the attendants keep the caged queen alive (a virgin in a package will usually result in a dead queen in the cage...but i've never had package bees with attendants in the queen cage). The supplier might know that they often have virgins in the package the way they do things, and adding attendants to the queen cage means that she doesn't arrive dead.

    If you wait 10 days/2 weeks to check for laying you might not notice...the queens are not marked. If you check now, you might find bees drifted away from installed packages with virgins (presumably after killing the mated queen...unless they left for parts unknown).

    I installed the rest with some brood to try and keep the bees put. Not an ideal situation.

    What a waste of mated queens.

    deknow

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    Default Re: Packages from Bluegrass . . .

    Queens keep much better in a "battery box" with free running bees in the box that can access candy and a sponge soaked in water and no attendants in the cages. However that is only feasible with larger orders. The only economical way to ship small orders is with attendants in the cages. It works fine but they should be used promptly as the health of the queen is totally dependent on the health and vitality of a relatively few workers.

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