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    Default Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    I'm curious to know if the sanded surfaces effect the acceptance of the HSC.

    Here's a photo:
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    what if you lightly hit it with a flame to melt those burs back?

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    I'm curious too. Let us know your experience with it.
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel palmer View Post
    what if you lightly hit it with a flame to melt those burs back?
    I spoke with the elderly owner of the HSC business (and his wife) and he is planning on trying a torch treatment ... I would expect to have a slightly rounded ridge around the cell edges after passing over them with some heat. Or maybe the "shards" of plastic will bead up individually... In any case, it won't be clean and uniform like the old frames.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    I'm curious too. Let us know your experience with it.
    A friend bought a case of them and will be putting bees on them in a week or two. I'm sure I'll have some news of the results. Actually, I might borrow five frames for my own test...


    I was told that the mold has been re-worked four times by Mr. Simpson who is now involved with the project. I can't understand how the mold that worked well in China is now requiring repeated machining in Ohio. I don't think the plastic is the same and with so much re-working of the mold, I suggested that the mold may not be the same either... We could be seeing some inexpensive, well made "Special Frame for Wonderful Bee of Small Size 4.9" (Made in China) available soon. If they have the same mold in Ohio they are certainly doing something differently.

    I feel bad for Mr. And Mrs. (HSC) who wanted to move the production to the U.S. to improve the product.
    Last edited by BeeCurious; 05-03-2012 at 05:37 AM. Reason: typo
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    You don't think the mold was beat up in china before it was shipped here? Have you ever dealt with Chinese manufacturing? Whether you can heat treat the burrs will depend on the type of plastic. A form of sand/bead blasting may give better results.
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    how about a thin coat of bees wax, or will that change the comb?

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerPlanter View Post
    how about a thin coat of bees wax, or will that change the comb?
    I dip mine through wax floating on water in a large pot. I wouldn't dip them until the fuzz is gone. My friend is bringing the frames to my place now. I'm going to try a couple of things. Wet sanding will most likely give the best results.

    I'll post more pics.
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Maybe the bees will chew it and touch it up??????????

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    We have quite a few HSC frames in our operation (from a.few.years ago...not US made) .
    I know Max and Fannie...they are great people and fun to hang out with.

    That said, I'm not a fan of HSC. It is expensive, it has the same brood density as 5.4 comb, and it takes too long for the bees (especially a package) to start using it.

    For the price, brood density, and ease of acceptance, the PF100 series seems a much better choice...at least to me.

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    A small propane torch does a nice job. Larger chips can be scraped off before or after passing over the frames with the torch. ...or ignore them.
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Here are before and after photos of the same area of a HSC frame that had the "fuzz" melted back with a propane torch.

    Pre-torch:


    Post torch:
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Why not let them build there own wax like they have done for centurys? All this plastic seems bad to me. I guess I'm just stuck in my ways but if it aint broke don't fix it. Just me you may heve a different outlook.

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Hi, You might try a heat gun instead of a blow torch. Less chance of "burning" I would think. If you burn, the "smell" may deter the bee even more for taking to it.

    Heat gun temps are about 550-1000 degree F.

    The maximum adiabatic flame temperature a propane torch with air is 2268 kelvins (1995 C / 3623 F).

    One 3rd or less temp might melt but not "burn" the plastic. When my frames come it they have burrs, will will try it and let you know.

    The frames I bought are "warped and have uneven bottom edges".

    I know this stuff has been available since at least 2007. Why are they having so much trouble getting it right? I'm no plastics pro, but I believe warpage is usually due to impoper cool down mix, and/or mold issues.

    I think its great that its back in the US...but I was hoping for some non-warped frames and HSC said "warped is what you get".

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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    If it's the same polypropolene that the old ones where, they melted at about 230 F.
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    Default Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    I think its great that its back in the US...
    As Deknow said, the 4.9mm pf frames from Mann Lake have advantages over the frames of HSC.

    I almost left a frame "fuzzy" to see how well it would be acccepted but I decided to clean them all up. Someone else will need to do a comparison...
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    Thumbs Up Re: Who has experience with the "new" U.S. made Honey Super Cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    I dip mine through wax floating on water in a large pot...snip...
    That process is new to me, THANKS for mentioning it. I can use that kind of setup to coat my Shamrock S frames
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