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    Default Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    I've made an extractor using a food grade drum that is powered by a 1/2" drill. If you were to buy a mass produced extractor of the same variety you are talking in the $800-$1000 range. And that's for a hand crank extractor. I think I have the costs down to a point I could sell the guts of the extractor with assembly directions for a much more reasonable price than a commercial bought extractor. All you would have to do is find and buy a food grade barrel and assemble the extractor which takes less that 30 minutes, including drilling a 1.5" hole for the gate valve.

    Would anyone be interested and how much would you pay for something like this?

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Quote Originally Posted by BEEADDICT View Post
    All you would have to do is find and buy a food grade barrel and assemble the extractor which takes less that 30 minutes, including drilling a 1.5" hole for the gate valve.

    Would anyone be interested and how much would you pay for something like this?
    I would say off the top of my head not very much. The problem is if someone can accomplish the "All you would have to do" then usually they can do the whole thing themselves. When you are not an OEM you don't have the support infra structure that people want in the future when something goes wrong. A lot of what you pay for with any equipment purchase is that infra structure. See if you can get $150-$200. You might have that much into the kit parts I don't know. I would have that much in the parts I made for mine if I had to buy them.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    I think I could be interested but of course I would have to know a whole lot more about what you are selling before I would know how much I would pay for it. Some basic info could help determine interest. How many frames? Radial or tangential extraction?

    You are the one that has to assign a price to it. The marketplace determines if it is an acceptable price.

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    I think you would do better to try selling the complete unit ready to use out of the box. Anything less than that, if anyone wanted to, they could just build their own as you have done for yourself.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Wayne- your questions were answered in my original post and/or title. Its an 18/9 extractor. I guess I thought most would figure out that since its going in a food grade barrel that it must be a radial extractor, but I guess not. My thought process was/is why would you pay $1000 for something you could assemble yourself in 30 minutes for lets say $400?? Most don't have the knowledge, tools, or time to build something on there own. And some just have more money that brains....If I could make a few bucks to supplement my beekeeping addiction then great. I'm by know means trying to make a million buck selling extractors.

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Beeaddict, I applaud your entrepreneurial spirit, but may I suggest that you build an example of the extractor first (after all, you ARE going to use it yourself, correct?), photograph the process, then post a more comprehensive summary of what you are considering offering, including photos.




    And just a small comment about customer service, and dealing with potential customers. Don't make snide public comments about your perceptions of your potential customers' intellect.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Sorry, I lost sight of the title when clicking through from the ISpy listing to the actual thread. And no, I did not figure out that food grade barrel equals radial. I have a 2-frame tangential in what I would suppose is a small food grade barrel.

    I must be one of those that you refer to that "just have more money that brains," [sic] though I still would not place a dollar value sight-unseen on something of unknown design and quality.

    Good luck with your business.

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    I have to assume that you are trying to squeeze every profit dollar you can. Not that anything is wrong with that, but it is wrong to do it and act like your not. Add all your cost in parts and time and come up with a fair price, don't look at the price of what's on the market and try to get as close to that as possible. Remember, almost everything that the manufacturers are making is stainless and that is where the money is. That said, I do think the extractors are too much, for me that is. And being small time, I will make my own and if I see a make your own deal, that is 100 dollars more, than I will still, make my own.

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    my first thought was whether or not the half inch drill motor was capable of spinning 18 full medium frames without gear reduction. i suppose variable speed could be accomplished if the drill motor had an adjustable trigger lock.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    my first thought was whether or not the half inch drill motor was capable of spinning 18 full medium frames without gear reduction.
    It certainly has a reduction and it will spin it but not for long. Getting the load up to speed will eventually kill the drill and it absolutely needs an overrunning clutch or it will break your wrist or worse.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Quote Originally Posted by rookie2531 View Post
    don't look at the price of what's on the market and try to get as close to that as possible.
    Costs only affect price when they are too high. Don't you try to get as much as you can for your honey if you were to sell it?
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    Getting the load up to speed will eventually kill the drill and it absolutely needs an overrunning clutch or it will break your wrist or worse.



    There is no reason that a drill-powered extractor has to put one's wrist at risk.

    For example ....
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Think about what happens if you have 18 frames up to speed and someone kicks the cord out with no overrunning clutch. Could you do that for me?
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Uhhh, Ace, the drill can be mounted to the extractor! No wrists need be in the vicinity of the drill.

    And this smiley seems most appropriate ...

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Any drill can be mounted to an extractor, with the appropriate mount. Since the thread originator mentioned using a drill to power the extractor, I thought I would include a photo showing one method of attaching the drill to the extractor ....

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    The metal bracket visible in the photo is clamped to the drill housing, thus supporting the drill, and of course, means no wrists are needed to hold the drill. In the case above, the drill chuck has been removed, and a pulley added in place of the chuck.

    More photos of the extractor assembly process - including more drill/motor detail photos - are available by clicking the "photo credit" link above.


    Keep in mind that this thread is about selling an extractor "kit", so the effort/cost in devising a suitable method of mounting the drill can be spread across multiple "kits".
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    First I would suggest a much greater understanding of marketing. and that you not insult your potential customers when small efforts fall short. That or turn it over to someone that can do it.

    Some of my right off the top concerns woudl be. Does it work? I have seen a lot of D.I.Y. extractors and they simply do not cut the grade for me. and that is seeing them. Your brief description is simply not gettign much attention. A barrel and some parts and I can make my own? wow who would have thought of that? Do I also have to supply my own drill? Is it designed to be food safe or will I end up with shredded drill gears in my honey? These are just a few of the things I want to be able to answer for myself. and I can only do that by seeing it in action. What if I want to add a motor? Is the design flexible enough to do that? Show me the comparable manufactured model that would cost as much as $1000. It is a what is my money buying me thing.

    I would in fact expect to pay $1,295.00 for an 18/9 motorized stainless steel extractor. I don't have to purchase a barrel and I don't have to worry about destroying any drills. I woudl expect to pay about $800 for a hand cranked one. A barrel I woudl expect to run about $70.00 minimum. Stainless steel I found for starting at $668.00. You are going to find it hard to beat the manufactured price at that point. The advantage is I can slice and dice the upgrades and pay for them a little at a time.

    Offer to provide sources for the remaining parts. There is the DIY'er that will source every scrap themselves. And there is the DIY'er that is more of a kit DIY type. That is your market. Btu it looks to me like your parts have to come it at around $300 to even match the price on available units.

    That still leaves the question. what is the quality of your parts and design? Should I give my money to you or Mann Lake?
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Answers to your query seem to prove your assumptions. The problem would be with people not getting the specific dimension barrel that you build your prototype on. I think people would pay $250 for a kit to build one if you included a $20 harbor freight drill so It was complete. You could even throw in the right sized hole saw and gate. Don't be in a hurry to be shamed out of entrepeneural designs. The socialist out there seem to think that everyone but them work for free.

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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    All the home-built extractors I have seen look really flimsy and would be a lot of extra work to use and keep in good repair from year to year. My time is valuable, so I doubt there is any actual savings when choosing home-made over a proven factory-made model.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Quote Originally Posted by BEEADDICT View Post
    Wayne- your questions were answered in my original post and/or title. Its an 18/9 extractor. I guess I thought most would figure out that since its going in a food grade barrel that it must be a radial extractor, but I guess not. My thought process was/is why would you pay $1000 for something you could assemble yourself in 30 minutes for lets say $400?? Most don't have the knowledge, tools, or time to build something on there own. And some just have more money that brains....If I could make a few bucks to supplement my beekeeping addiction then great. I'm by know means trying to make a million buck selling extractors.
    I would think that anyone needing an extractor that big would not need to build their own or couldn't be bothered.
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    Default Re: Would you B interested and How much would you pay for a 18/9 extractor kit??

    Good one Vance

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