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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rhaldridge View Post
    Actually, I took your advice and put screened tops on the 8 frame deep boxes. The boxes were identical, one died and one did fine. I think that there were too many bees in one box, since that was the only difference between them.

    Are you saying I should have left the hive completely open? How would that have worked in a car? If you were to put them on a trailer with the entrance open, wouldn't you lose a lot of bees over a 36 hour trip? I don't have a bee net.
    Thats a tough scenario Ray. Ideally for a trip that length they would be netted (perhaps in a pickup box) and have the freedom to crawl in or out as needed. I have put screens on hives many times but never for more than overnight and even then with some trepidation if it was warm at all. What can happen (and what you no doubt experienced) is that they can begin to get restless and a layer of bees will quickly plug up the screen, smothering all the bees under them. A screen top and bottom would greatly help with some type of shade board above the screen and a couple 2x2's underneath to allow for air flow.. When you stop you can lay a paper towel on the screen and thoroughly soak it so that the bees get a controlled drip of water over them. Perhaps you can pick up a piece of shade cloth at a local nursery?
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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rhaldridge View Post
    Actually, I took your advice and put screened tops on the 8 frame deep boxes. The boxes were identical, one died and one did fine. I think that there were too many bees in one box, since that was the only difference between them.

    Are you saying I should have left the hive completely open? How would that have worked in a car? If you were to put them on a trailer with the entrance open, wouldn't you lose a lot of bees over a 36 hour trip? I don't have a bee net.
    Oh, sorry something I had input into did not work out. As memory serves though there was also an understanding they would be out of direct sun and airconditioning would be used. If it's a real crowded hive stopping the car and turning off the aircon even for a short while can be the end of the bees.

    Re travelling with the hives open, yes, that's the only way I do it. Better to lose some of the bees that all of the bees. If it's more than a day (which is a long time since that's happened for me) the trip is planned so driving starts in the morning before bees are flying & othert than quick refuel stops, once I stop for the day I stay there for the night & get moving next morning again.

    I do sell bees to people who do not have the ability & have to take hives blocked in. In those cases it's a judgement call about what extent to mesh the hive tops, etc.. it depends on hive makeup, weather conditions and how they will be travelling, but I can say not one hive I have sold has been lost in transport in many years, provided the purchaser has followed my instructions.

    I recently sold hives that were meshed in, and went on a truck on a public ferry, to an offshore island, so that was one thing I had to get absolutely right or could have been a major disaster!!

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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Why do you ask?
    I'm trying to get away with doing nothing in Spring. So did the Spring treatment make a difference?
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  4. #104
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    In the brood broken when the supers were taken apart to day no mites were seen. Out of all of the broken brood from 32 hives. Not that every hive had broken brood.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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    That's pretty good. Did you treat those again in Fall?
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    I treated them last Fall. But not again in the Fall yet.

    I used Apigaurd last Fall. I experienced a higher Winterloss than I expected, but I don't blame that on the Apigaurd. I blame that on not feeding enough.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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  7. #107
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    Jim, that was exactly what happened-- a thick layer of bees built up on the mesh top and the screened opening and a vent hole in the bottom, and choked off the air. There were 3 inches of dead bees in the bottom, and at least a couple of inches pressed into the top. I really think there were just too many bees, because the other nuc, which I'd made up just a few weeks before, did fine. They were in an air-conditioned car and shaded. I drove straight through-- took about 36 hours.

    I'm planning to put the nucs I'm taking this time on a trailer, with a sheet of roofing metal over them for shade (blocked up away from the tops, so there's air movement between nucs and metal.) I do have a camper's mosquito net. I wonder if I should net them with that and leave the entrances open. No, I don't guess that would hold up to the buffeting at highway speeds.
    Ray--1 year, 7 hives, TF

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    How are you going to hold the sheet metal down so it doesn't act like a sail and flop around from the wind.

    I don't think the sheet metal is a good idea. The hives don't need shade as much as they need constant air circulation. Get on the road. Stop for fuel and food and get back on the road. Don't go inside and sit down to a leisurley meal. Eat in the car. Stop at Flying J truck stops and find the water hose over where the mobile homes fuel up and use that water to hose down your hives. That's what I am going to do when I go get my nucs.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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    An air conditioned vehicle would work IF you are really vigilant. Keep a cooler of ice handy and if they get restless lay a papertowel over part of the screen and place some ice on top of that. I have tried ice right on the screen but it can be kind of tough on the brood, though it will settle them down in a hurry.
    But a 36 hour trip if they are very populous?.......I dunno.
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    Mark, how are your nucs packaged?

    I don't think the sheet metal would flap, because the way my trailer is set up, there's a 6 foot enclosed space on it, and behind that a 4 foot open space. I planned to strap down the nucs at the tail end of the open space, put 2X blocks to separate the sheet metal from the nuc tops, add the roofing panel, then ratchet strap a 4 foot long hive on top of that.

    I wonder if I bought a garden sprayer, filled it with water and ice, and sprayed them down every time I stopped, if that would help.

    I've also thought about leaving in the evening, so that I'd only have one day of travel, and two nights. I assume the nights are easier on the bees.
    Ray--1 year, 7 hives, TF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    That was two days worth of "how I treated my hives" and "how effective were your/my treatments?" in the treatment-free forum.

    I'm going to go take a shower.
    Why was a Bee Informed National Survey even in the Treatment Free Forum to begin with? Certainly the Survey wasn't about Treatment Free only survival.

    Ray,
    My nucs are in 5 frame nuc boxes w/ a three inch wide entrance. They will be on pallets. Ten to a pallet, four pallets tall, two rows. They will be on the deck of my truck under a net.

    I should have shipped them North when I came up a month ago, but they weren't ready and neither was the weather and I didn't want to have to feed them. Now it is hot and I expect them to get hot on the truck under the net. So I will be stopping where I can hose them down every now and then.

    Yes, transporting them at night is somewhat easier on them if temps are cooler. But when will you sleep? If you are going to stop to sleep then night time is the best time for that.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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  12. #112
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    I'm moving this out of the TF forum.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eve...ypes=og.shares

    If you read all the comments posted, I don't read a good balance of views.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Thanks Barry.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Hey Grumps, have another cup of coffee! In case you didn't notice, it's actually almost three years later.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Okay.
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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    It worked! Glad to see the smiling Mark! Sol was heading up the TF forum for sometime and I failed to notice this thread being started in that forum under his watch. Had I caught it at the beginning, I would have moved it then. I'm also cleaning it up and deleting off topic posts. Just doing my part as things come to my attention.
    Regards, Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Hey Grumps
    You mean Gramps....right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    It worked! Glad to see the smiling Mark! Sol was heading up the TF forum for sometime and I failed to notice this thread being started in that forum under his watch. Had I caught it at the beginning, I would have moved it then. I'm also cleaning it up and deleting off topic posts. Just doing my part as things come to my attention.
    it'sallgood.

    Your response to my Reply was pretty fast. I was impressed. Too cold in Chi Town to work outdoors today?
    "Most of my exercise comes from wrestling with pigs and beating dead horses."
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    You mean Gramps....right?
    I am, just not your Gramps. lol
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    Default Re: Bee Informed National Survey

    Grumpy Gramps? Are you a Grandpa Mark?

    Don't have to be on the other job till 10:00 today. Tropical weather here compared to the east.
    Regards, Barry

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