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    Smile ccommercial way for installing packages

    ok guys i was wondering is there any sug
    gestions on installing packages on drawn comb / were installing over 100 packages in a couple weeks and was wondering if you had any suggestion or cautions thanks
    bill

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    take 100 empty deep shells with ya.pull feeder can install queen in box with combs.turn package over and just let the bees crawl out onto combs.leave the empty shell on until you turn the queens loose.good luck

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    I direct release. I collect the queen cages as I go as they get confused by them. I worry about picking up all the packages later. I just work my way down the line. Pull the can, pull the queen, shake them in, release the queen, put the frames in, put the lid on and start on the next.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    I direct release. I collect the queen cages as I go as they get confused by them. I worry about picking up all the packages later. I just work my way down the line. Pull the can, pull the queen, shake them in, release the queen, put the frames in, put the lid on and start on the next.
    This is the worst advice that I have read in my 22 years of beekeeping.
    PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVISE!!

    If you want as close to 100% queen acceptance as possible, do the following.
    Install the package around the queen cage provided.
    Do not poke a hole in the candy plug.
    Fill the feeder with syrup.
    DO NOT return to the hive other that to quietly fill feeders for AT LEAST 10 days.
    AFTER ten days, queen check and remove the queen cage.
    Who to believe? Read the Hive And HoneyBee.
    Do they suggest that you just "dump in the queen"?
    Of course they don't!
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    Here are a few threads on the subject. Apparently I'm not the only proponent of direct release...

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/arch.../t-188182.html

    Butterchurn
    03-09-2005, 07:32 AM
    The University of Minnesota has been preaching the quick direct release for packages as long as I can remember. I've always taken their advice and I've never lost a queen this way.

    Your situation may be different, so check how the bees are treating the queen. As I said, it has never failed to work for me. Like Michael, there have been a couple of times when the queen didn't want to go where I wanted her and I got a bit anxious, but its worked so far.

    You probably wont have any problems.

    Ron


    http://www.beesource.com/forums/arch.../t-186630.html

    Jim Fischer
    02-23-2006, 11:25 AM
    I disagree with all the "special" suggestions here.
    Just put the queen in (direct release), dump
    the bees in the box, and let 'em do their thing.

    By the time packages are delivered to any but
    the largest beekeepers placing the largest
    "early" orders, the temps are fine to be
    tossing the bees straight into a full medium
    or two.

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/arch.../t-187787.html

    Jim Fischer
    03-08-2006, 09:25 PM
    There is NO REASON to leave the queen in the
    cage when she has spent several days in a
    package. Just release her directly into the
    hive after shaking some or all of the package
    into the hive.

    Sure, you need to remove attendants and insert
    the queen in the cage to give the colony time
    to get used to the queen and "release" her when
    requeening, but when the queen comes with
    a package, there is no need for such
    nonsense.

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/arch.../t-188182.html

    Jim Fischer
    03-08-2005, 02:27 PM
    > If the bees are sent with a queen... why would
    > they reject and kill her especially since she
    > was within the package for many days??

    A very astute observation!

    What the book related was yet another bit of
    beekeeping mythology that "everyone" persists
    in repeating, to the detriment of better
    understanding of bee behavior.

    The process of "installing a package" is a bit
    chaotic for the bees, so there may be some minor
    advantage to keeping the queen "protected" when
    the bees are "very confused", but I don't know of
    any reason why one could not release the queen
    directly into the colony after a short period
    of observation of the queen in the cage on the
    top bars (a few minutes at most) to verify that
    the bees are fanning her scent, and not biting at
    the screen of the cage.

    Bees around a queen should be "peaceful looking".
    It is easy to see "aggressive behavior" after one
    has paid attention to what a normal situation
    looks like. The whole stance of the bee is
    different.

    Don't listen to books or people who repeat
    old wive's tales. You are correct. If you
    asked them this exact question, they would
    for forced to admit that they had no valid
    reason to make you go back a second time
    to remove that queen cage.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    Doesn't Ron Householder install a HUGE amount of packages each year in his operation? Ron do you have any advice here?

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    For folks in California, direct release method could be problematic. FREQUENTLY, the packages we get are only ONE day old. I've had some that were less than 6hrs old.

    If you know that your package is 4 days old already, then fine... go ahead with direct release.

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    Commercial way to hive packages...
    ...one package at a time

    Sorry could not resist being cheeky

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    Default Re: ccommercial way for installing packages

    Quote Originally Posted by honeyshack View Post
    Commercial way to hive packages...
    ...one package at a time

    Sorry could not resist being cheeky
    always one in the bunch

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    Thumbs Up Re: commercial way for installing packages

    we had every thing setup ,took 100 extra boxes set on top comb pulled 1 frame put queen in comb dumped some bees on her. layed cage on side opening toward her it didn't take very long per box .put feeders on. had all openings sealed or reduced. preplanning was the only way to go with your input i had a clue what to expect.

    i would like to thank you all for your input i appreciated each way you described i took parts and advise from several we direct released some ,put queen cage down below on some .well see which way works beter for us. i'll get some pictures up in a day or two thanks bill

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    Default Re: commercial way for installing packages

    Would have liked to see that video before I received tube bees. I read up on releasing packages out of the box to make sure I knew how to do it and then they give me bees in a tube. I removed the corks and wow there was no candy behind the corks. They became direct release and the queens survived.

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    Default Re: commercial way for installing packages

    Here's a summary of our experience pouring packages for various commercial beekeepers last season - http://thehoneybeat.com/2011/04/shaking-all-over/

    The key point is to have everything prepared in advance of the bees arrival, and have a plan b (& c) ready to go in the event of unforeseen circumstances. Like doc25, we were going to slow release the queens on a pallet of packages we were pouring this year, but we changed that to direct release once we saw that none of the queen cages had candy in them.

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