Chip, we aren't exactly in the right thread for this discussion but you just layed out a nice blueprint for how to get to the point of profitability in this business when you are starting from scratch. It requires a day job and the willingness to do a lot of work to reach the point of sustainability where you are right now. Job well done, others need to learn from you. Obviously you enjoy hard work, I can't say the same. I do it because it was the culture I was raised in and I live by the creed that anything worth doing is worth doing well. Let's see now weren't we talking about forklifts or something?