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    Default Re: Beekeeping is a very cheap hobby

    Hey you guys that are looking forward to beekeeping without spending a dime should give this a think. There are plans around to make a 200 mile per gallon carburetor for your vehicle. Get this operational first cause otherwise the beekeeping for free won't fly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    The frames really don't take much time depending on how you do it. frames. It took me about 3 hours spread out over a week to make 100 frames.
    1.8 minutes per frame? Does that include the time spent fashioning the frame pieces from the free wood that you find?

    You must be some sort of wizard.
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    Default Re: Beekeeping is a very cheap hobby

    This thread should just be closed--

    For anyone who stumbles on it here is a recap:

    Beekeeping can be a very cheap hobby, if all your wood, time and bees are free, otherwise, for most beginners it is going to cost some initial money outlay, which if all the equipment is new and someone can correct me if I am wrong on this, around 250 for a full hive set up plus 75 for a package so around 325 a hive to start. Lets try to keep things real here for the new bees please. Threads on here should offer pratical information and tips, not a semantics lesson or a discussion of the amount of seconds to build each frame etc. The mods should make a new section called the rumpus room where people can argue about minutiae all day long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crofter View Post
    Hey you guys that are looking forward to beekeeping without spending a dime should give this a think. There are plans around to make a 200 mile per gallon carburetor for your vehicle. Get this operational first cause otherwise the beekeeping for free won't fly!
    Hey Crofter, you rang a bell with the above comment. I remember back in the 70's there were people, supposedly educated people, that thought that there was a carburetor that would produce 100 mpg or more. The story was that the guy who invented it sold it to the major oil companies,and they would never allow it go public. Dang, I wish I had one.

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    Nabber. It doesn't take a lot of time per piece when you make a lot of them. production work reduces time per piece drastically.

    a top bar is 3/4 inches thick 1 1/16 inches wide and 19 inches long. What is the fastest way to cut 1X material to these dimensions? Should you cut pieces of 1X19 inches long first or cut 1X material to width first? Does it matter?
    Actually it depends on what equipment you have. If all you own is a table saw it is really not going to matter much. In my case I have both a table saw and a radial arm saw. set up correctly I can make both cuts in only a few seconds per frame. I make the width cut on the table saw first. I make the length cut on the radial arm saw with a stop block set at 19 inches. The reason I do it this way is that I can use the table saw for as long as it takes to cut 1900 inches of 1X material total length. Or I can use it to make 100 19 inch rips. the radial arm saw is hands down faster at cutting to length that the table saw. I can in fact make 100 cuts on the radial arm saw in less than half the time I could make 100 cuts on the table saw.

    Basically it is knowing how to use a shop to it's best advantage. And their really is a reason to own al these different saws.

    In like manner with the proper equipment nearly all the cuts in a frame can be made in just a few seconds. It is partially a matter of having the right saw. having the creativity to figure out how to feed the wood through it and being able to set up jigs. blocks and stops so that making each cut is a matter of how fast you can drop the next piece in place.
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    Did you figure the cost of your table saw and radial arm saw into the cost of your hobby, or did you get those for free too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    I can in fact make 100 cuts on the radial arm saw in less than half the time I could make 100 cuts on the table saw.
    That tells me that you may not have your table saw set up to your best advantage.

    To cross cut with a radial arm saw each cut requires that both the saw and the material be moved. With a table saw you move only the material. The table saw should be at least as fast as a radial arm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    Basically it is knowing how to use a shop to it's best advantage. And their really is a reason to own al these different saws.
    Does it take more time to set up one machine twice than two machines each once? It's still two set ups. Also even if they are in close proximity, you have to move the material to a different location in the shop, however small that move is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcugat View Post
    This thread should just be closed--

    For anyone who stumbles on it here is a recap:

    Beekeeping can be a very cheap hobby, if all your wood, time and bees are free, otherwise, for most beginners it is going to cost some initial money outlay, which if all the equipment is new and someone can correct me if I am wrong on this, around 250 for a full hive set up plus 75 for a package so around 325 a hive to start. Lets try to keep things real here for the new bees please. Threads on here should offer pratical information and tips, not a semantics lesson or a discussion of the amount of seconds to build each frame etc. The mods should make a new section called the rumpus room where people can argue about minutiae all day long.
    I figuerd mine to be around 400 ahive maybee alittle more but thats my set up and i'm inculding my table saw beeyards {2 one 300sqft with stone and fenced and one 650sqft stoned and fenced with eletric / suits{3}{one ultra breeze}/ Jacket/ smoker a shed to put my bee stuff a frezzer to put frames i could go on.I think you should have some cash going into bee keeping makes for a nice hobby.My strart up bee cost was almost 1000.00 that was for 2 package bee's my frist year 3 nuc's the next year and 3 nuc's this year i now have 15 strong hive's in my bee yards and i never have to buy bee's again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazy shooter View Post
    Well, Daniel Y makes two beekeepers that got into their hobby without spending "one thin dime." It makes one wonder, how many prospective beeks have a free car and hardware to produce bee equipment?
    Or someone who pays you to do your own thing on their time using their vehicle. What do you do for a living Daniel Y? Does your employer know and approve of your extracurricular activities while on the clock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    What do you do for a living Daniel Y?
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    I work for the State of Nevada ....
    Note, I didn't realize until recently that the little blue "double arrow" in the quote box was actually a link to the original quote. So that's why I have not provided a stand-alone link to the original comment by Daniel Y, you can just click the blue arrow to see the original post.
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    I guess if I was employed by the State, I could run around picking up bee gear on the taxpayer's dime. Wonder how thin that dime would be?
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    Default Re: Beekeeping is a very cheap hobby

    I have been mining Google Search for interesting quotes from older Beesource threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    I work for a University ...
    Would that be the University of Nevada?

    Here is some of the University of Nevada vehicle use policy:
    It shall be unlawful for any individual, individuals, or groups of individuals, whether an employee or employees of the State of Nevada or not, to use any automobile, truck, or other means of mechanical conveyance, property of the State of Nevada, for their own private use.

    http://www.unr.edu/administrative-ma...cle-use-policy
    Of course, it may not be the University of Nevada that is the employer in this case. One would hope so, at least ...

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    Default Re: Beekeeping is a very cheap hobby

    That's for sure. If there is ever an investigation into Daniel Y's vehicle use you can be sure there will be an internet search which will lead to what is Posted on beesource.com. You may wish to delete those Posts Daniel.
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    I had better stop reading/posting at work.


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    As if you didn't know that already.
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    Default Re: Beekeeping is a very cheap hobby

    Maybe he's a maintenance guy, who really cares. I don't classify him as starting beekeeping for free, because, well, quite frankly he didn't. The only way he was able to expand for 'free' was all the knowledge he acquired by buying his first hives and becoming a part of Beesource and some other factors that allow him to produce equipment and being paid for having all the tools necessary. Everyone doesn't fall into this category so the point is moot but Daniel deserves some credit in accomplishing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    That's for sure. If there is ever an investigation into Daniel Y's vehicle use you can be sure there will be an internet search which will lead to what is Posted on beesource.com. You may wish to delete those Posts Daniel.
    You make some pretty broad assumptions. Mainly that I am doing anything wrong. do a present myself somehow with a guilty conscience? Who is it I am to be concerned about reading my post. The same people that have me take materials that they want to their vehicles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    I have been mining Google Search for interesting quotes from older Beesource threads.



    Would that be the University of Nevada?

    Here is some of the University of Nevada vehicle use policy:


    Of course, it may not be the University of Nevada that is the employer in this case. One would hope so, at least ...

    Keep in mind there is not much on the net that is not crawled by search engines. And what you post can come back to bite you.
    Do you seriously think I don't know the policies of a place I have worked for for 25 plus years? Really? You assume I violate them. OF course my boss that helps me drop things of at my house doesn't seem to think so. the bosses that I tell I am running something to my house don't think so. So I guess now I should get all worried about what you think?

    The University also has a policy that you cannot eat in your office or classrooms. Last week this became an issue so I did a walk through of 10 offices. 9 out of those ten had food thrown in the garbage cans the one that did not had not been to work the previous day. I have know this to be the reality of that no food policy in the entire time I have worked their. So much for policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    Do you seriously think I don't know the policies of a place I have worked for for 25 plus years? Really? You assume I violate them. OF course my boss that helps me drop things of at my house doesn't seem to think so. the bosses that I tell I am running something to my house don't think so. So I guess now I should get all worried about what you think?

    The University also has a policy that you cannot eat in your office or classrooms. Last week this became an issue so I did a walk through of 10 offices. 9 out of those ten had food thrown in the garbage cans the one that did not had not been to work the previous day. I have know this to be the reality of that no food policy in the entire time I have worked their. So much for policy.
    Regardless of who ignores or violates policy, it is still policy. I can't help wonder if this post is symptomatic of the reason for so much waste/abuse in government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    Do you seriously think I don't know the policies of a place I have worked for for 25 plus years? Really? You assume I violate them. OF course my boss that helps me drop things of at my house doesn't seem to think so. the bosses that I tell I am running something to my house don't think so. So I guess now I should get all worried about what you think?
    I'll take your word for it that you are aware of the policies of your employer. After 25 years you certainly should know the rules! But since your employer is a State agency, those rules have the force of law.

    Violating State law makes one a criminal, regardless of how many of your fellow employees also violate the law. Not only that, but you are admitting it in a public forum, and in effect, saying you don't care who knows about your illegal activities involving State of Nevada property.

    I am not concerned about what you think about what I posted. Obviously, I was aware when I wrote it that you would not be pleased about the links. I provided links to your past posts to assist other Beesource members in evaluating your mindset in light of some of your posted comments earlier in this thread, and in particular, your ridiculous and outrageous comments on the Sandy [storm] thread.

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