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  1. #1
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    Default Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    Hello,

    I'd like to know what options there are for commercial honey/wax handling. I'm slowly growing my want to be commercial operation, which should be ~30/50 hives in the spring/fall and hopefully 500 in the next few years.

    Currently, I'm using a hot knife and a borrowed 36 frame extractor. Where is the best place to spend my money? I can continue to use the borrowed extractor, but I will need to buy one. The hot knife is the slowest part of the extraction process. Short of letting the cappings drain manually.

    So, I'd like to know about options for uncappers, wax spinners, bottlers, and extractors that would continue to grow with me.

    I've looked at the maxant and cowen lines. Are there other vendors in this market?

    Thanks,

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    How big are you going to get
    500 to 1500 hives
    1500 to 2500 hives

    or more



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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    This one as made in Finland the import tax and S&H may kill you But take a good look at the
    Slit-uncapping.

    http://beekeeping.honeypaw.fi/Slit-uncapping.php

    http://beekeeping.honeypaw.fi/Extraction-line.php

    http://youtu.be/lgRU1nEuWGY


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    Last edited by Jim 134; 02-06-2012 at 12:58 PM.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    500 hive is my goal at the moment, but who knows. Ultimately, it comes down to how many bee yards I can manage and what my wife is willing to put up with.

    I'd love to quick my day job, but I don't have any short term delusions on that.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    Looks interesting, that really wouldn't be to hard to make.. ((hand held slitter))

    I have a small cnc mill in the garage that is collecting dust. I was hoping to do something automated, but that might still be a good method. (slitting) Similar to the brushy mountain sideliner.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    look at beekeepers at the size you wish to be. there is no fit all program. If someone seems to be sucessful at what theyer doing may be something to look at. the biggest problem you will find is how to deal with cappings. been doing this 50 yrs and still have not found a great system. dont buy anything that will not pay for itself. good luck

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    Quote Originally Posted by beeware10 View Post
    look at beekeepers at the size you wish to be. there is no fit all program. If someone seems to be sucessful at what theyer doing may be something to look at. the biggest problem you will find is how to deal with cappings. been doing this 50 yrs and still have not found a great system. dont buy anything that will not pay for itself. good luck
    That was the overall purpose of this post. I'd like to get some comments from people that went before me.

    **** Completely made up the below *****

    The side liner jams every 4 frame when you run fat frames.
    The flail systems gum up and tear more comb than they should.
    Etc...

    ********************************

    I don't expect an silver bullet, but I'd like to know what the choices are and the perceived benefits. As for the item paying for itself, that's the million dollar question.

    i.e. The Super Uncapper Deluxe 101 will uncap 500 frames per hour, but I'll only have 1000 supers. While the deluxe is 15 times the cost of the regular, but runs at 10 times the frames per hour.

    So does saying 20 hours twice a year justify the expense, but when I have 10000 supers it would be 200 hours saved.

    I'd like to see this type of information.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    uncapping and removing honey from your cappings is the biggest bottle neck you have right now. If you get an uncapper your biggest bottleneck will be your borrowed extractor.

    I looked for used equipment that other beekeepers grew out of for their operation. So I found the essentials being 36 frame extractor, pump, uncapper, spinner, 2 uncapping tanks. I actually use 2 36 frame extractors at this point and find everything moves real smooth. Now my bottle neck is my uncapper.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    Any uncappers come with the option for a capping auger/spinner??

    Any other advice? Trying to lay out my long term plans, so I can set money start setting money aside.

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    Guy in Louisiana selling a brand new Maxant Combo Unit in the for sale section. That will do the job!
    www.maxantindustries.com
    American made Honey Processing Equipment "Built to last a lifetime"

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    Thumbs Up Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    We started out with a 4 four extractor and hot knife, and use that until we did 5 ton a year. Really wouldn't go that route. Over the years we have ran 600-1500 hives and used the Maxant Combo setup. As we got bigger we ran two wax spinners with a track to run uncupper from one spinner to the other. Ran two 80 frame extactors. With two people we could extact upto 8 durms a day with that setup. 20+ years with Maxant uncapper and just retired it. Have to go to a faster setup this year.( growing pains)
    So if Maxant's equipment is built like 20 years ago, that's what I would buy. WOW just check the price on Maxant Combo and there price has gone up a little since I bought.$$$$

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    Default Re: Advice wanted on honey/wax handling equipment

    How does the flail system compare to the hot knives? I'm think about welding doing up my own horizontal extractor. I really like loading from the conveyor vs leaning over the drum to lower it in. Which is what I'm currently using and it feels like it takes longer to load than extract.

    Either way, this is 3+ years off. I'll probably keep using the borrow extractor, but I'd like to start planning where to spend my egg money.
    Last edited by JohnK and Sheri; 02-14-2012 at 05:05 PM. Reason: Unnecessary quote

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