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  1. #1
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    Default One piece pierco frames and SHB

    I recently aquired a bunch of pierco frames from another beekeeper who has gone out. The frames have been used and need to be scraped and rewaxed(I would say they are around 8 years old but not used for more then two).

    As I begin going through this effort in my spare time, I am looking at the edges of these frames and notice the chanels that run along. Looks like beetles could hide in there possibly. Have any of you experienced issues with this in areas where SHB is prevolent?
    Beleive me this job is time consuming enough and hard to justify so if there are negatives to these frames regarding beetles, I'll offer them to someone else who doesn't mind working with them.

    Thanks for your input

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    They're terrible, you dont want them. Please send them to me.

    Just kidding. I strictly use one piece black Pierco frames on all my new hives because they save a ton of time when it comes to assembly. There is no assembly and the bees take right to them. The only 'con' I have heard is that some people have trouble with them in their de-cappers. As far as hive beetles, if I compare my pierco framed hives to some of my older wooden frame hives w/ plastic foundation - I don't really see a difference in SHB population. My bees keep them at bay as long as I keep my hives in full sun. Seems like the beetles cant handle the heat.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but hive beetles could be the least of your problems. It is always a bad idea to reuse someone else's old equipment. The reason is American Foulbrood. Unless you have absolute confidence in the health of the previous bees that were on those combs, burn them! The spores for AFB can live for decades and after you have invested in new bees and then drawn new combs, the bees will develop AFB. I realize that equipment is expensive but AFB is more common than most beekeepers want to admit and once you have it the only cure is burning the hive. Please don't pass these frames on to some one else.

    This is also the reason why I advise people to be EXTREMELY carefull when buying nucs. With the shortage of packages lately, I have heard numerous reports of AFB coming along with nucs made up from large producers that have covered it up with antibiotics.

    Adam Fuller, azapiaries.com

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    If the pierco were only used an estimated two years, why do they need scraped down? Are you sure the bees can't clean them up cheaply and easily? They work all night. That is if you decide not to dissolve them in sulfuric acid and burn the residue before calling hazmat to get the residue.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    Thanks for the advise. As a previous bee inspector for NY and PA I am very aware of the issues involving used equipment and I agree. In my case, this equipment comes from a known source. What concerns me are the places on the frame where SHB can hide from the bees.

    With the combs setting around for so long not being used it became a bit nasty.

    It's good to know that they will work okay in beetle country.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    Quote Originally Posted by adam@azapiaries View Post
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    I have heard numerous reports of AFB coming along with nucs made up from large producers that have covered it up with antibiotics.

    Adam Fuller, azapiaries.com
    That is a pretty broad stroked and unfair comment directed at large producers with nothing but rumor to back it up. "I have heard..."

    On topic, the pierco frames have a tendancy to twist in the uncapper sometimes. Having used wax/wood, plastic/wood, and plastic one piece, I prefer the plastic/wood. As to SHB, i have no idea because they are not a problem yet, however, if they were to become a problem, I would more than likely use what we have and either not buy more or relegate them to honey supers only where the chance of pollen is unlikely.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    Honeyshack

    I don't want to start poking fingers, but, I bought 225 nucs from a very large pollinator/nuc producer with the intention of reselling them. I ended up burning 25 that came down with AFB. Luckily I caught it before selling them. Who knows how many others from that load (other beekeepers bought 200 additional nucs on the load) had the same problems. I have bought and resold thousands of packages over the years and never had a problem. This wasn't an unsubstantiated rumor.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    Point taken.

    That said however a rather broad stroke was taken at...what was the word?....Oh yes, and i quote...

    "heard numerous reports of AFB coming along with nucs made up from large producers that have covered it up with antibiotics. "

    You problem was with one, and you have bought and sold many in the past. To quote...

    "I have bought and resold thousands of packages over the years and never had a problem"

    Unfair to lump all large producers in with the bad apples. That would be like lumping all nuc re-sellers in the same apple box. There are good and there are bad. I am sure if you are as good at your business as you imply, you would not want to be lumped with the bad sellers.

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    Default Re: One piece pierco frames and SHB

    The orrigional point was to be leary of used combs and to under stand that if you are buying nucs, be extremly careful of the source. Check around your bee clubs for other peoples experiences with a given producer. The difference between nucs and packages is that you are buying brood combs. Used brood combs are one of the best ways to get AFB.

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