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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Treatment-Free Beekeeping without Small Cell

    Quote Originally Posted by Riskybizz View Post
    I was under the impression they raised all there own queens. Lets hope the "someone" is reliable.
    Oh yes, there was no suggestion they are selling other peoples queens, the queens he sold them were presumably to add to their breeding pool.

    You said yours have never been hot? That's why I said "sometimes hot". Obviously, others have had the ones that are hot! . Some time ago, in my quest for a varroa resistant bee, I researched every bit of info I could on beeweaver, the methods stated on their web site, and further information from other commercial beeks including a commercial queen breeder, who have had dealings with them.
    I'll admit this was an academic excersize, as I am overseas and my country will not allow bees to be imported. But I wanted to see what I could learn that might be useful to me.
    Last edited by Oldtimer; 12-14-2011 at 02:06 PM.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Thanx Oldtimer for the info. I'll talk with Laura Weaver next time I call because I always like to know what genetics i'm introducing. I have not used their Taylor Made queens. I have always found them to be good bees and good people. Maybe some people just like wearing sweatty bee suits?
    "Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti

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    That's one thing I like about the Weavers. They have come through some huge challenges in the past 22 years, and they
    don't have anything to hide. If you ask they'll tell you about it.

  4. #44
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    I have not met this beekeeper but he claims he does not treat for mites or with Fumagilin. I believe he takes his bees to almonds, overwinters in TX and produces honey in SD. I would like to try his bees but TX is a longs ways to pick up some nucs. Maybe I can arrange a pickup in SD ( a little closer). Take a look at this website

    http://southbeekota.com/RussianBees.html

    I don't know if he is on conventional foundation or SC.

    I have been experimenting with SC and Foundationless and monitoring for mites twice a year. Not finding much of s difference. Survival percentages have been pretty similar too.

    I tried two Beeweaver queens this summer and found them to be very sensitive to smoke. In fact I found that they were easier to work without smoke than with. When I discovered this they were not any more "hot" than my other hives. I found them to be a little runnier on the combs though. I need to work them a few more seasons to have a good opinion on them though.

    Regards, Yuuki

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    I checked out this guy a while back. He doesn't ship anything and I don't feel like driving nearly to Houston to pick them up.

    I could get a direct flight to Houston and back from here for $500.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    You had to suit up to get withing 100 yards of mine...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Your Southbeedakotas?
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    >Your Southbeedakotas?

    No. Buckfasts from Texas, the last time I had any in 2001...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by northbee View Post
    I tried two Beeweaver queens this summer and found them to be very sensitive to smoke. In fact I found that they were easier to work without smoke than with. When I discovered this they were not any more "hot" than my other hives. I found them to be a little runnier on the combs though. I need to work them a few more seasons to have a good opinion on them though.

    Regards, Yuuki
    I find the smoke comment interesting, I didn't have as much luck with smoke as I did with my other bees, but I still think it at least helped. I know they never got "out of control", but smoke or no there were always a few bouncing off my veil whatever I did. The hives are a couple feet off the ground so it shouldn't have been from critters bothering them at night either.

    What kind of smoke were you making? I use old bailer twine (undyed and untreated). Makes a good cool smoke and I have it all over the farm. Can be a pain to get lit though (Except when I sneak my wife's creme brule torch to light it).

    And yes I had to suit up to watch entrance traffic, but when I say entrance traffic I mean a foot or two away just off to the side. I didn't have as much trouble as Michael, they ignored me if I was 10 feet back from the hive. Of course that's still pretty bad compared to how I used to manage my last ones.

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    Smoke has a different effect on African honey bees, than what it does on European honey bees.

    What we've seen described in the thread so far, are 3 seperate african bee behaviours. There's sending a swarm into an already occupied hive, killing the other queen and usurping the hive, there's the effect of smoke and the way the bees run around on the comb, and there's comments like "You had to suit up to get within 100 yards of mine".

    I'm beginning to wonder if I was a little bit too trusing when I read on their web site that they had the african problem under control.

    Another thing, africans have a natural resistance to mites.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Treatment-Free Beekeeping without Small Cell

    Well I admit to being just a bit worried now. I have ordered a couple of packages of bees from Bee Weaver to be delivered next April. I am also a first time beek.

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    Well one guy said his Weavers were fine. Just try your luck. You can always requeen at some future time.

    Must admit, it's a rare thing but I'm with Barry on this . - Wondering why it is, that bees that are treatment free and descibed as good honey producers, etc. have not been widely adopted by commercial beekeepers.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    >Another thing, africans have a natural resistance to mites.

    Is this not a direct correlation to their excessive swarming tendencies, often times leaving the parent colonies' brood cycle interrupted. I'm not so sure that genetically, Africans are any less susceptible to varroa. As I recall this has been well documented.
    "Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti

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    Good is a relative term I guess, have you ever seen someone advertise queens that are bad honey producers? I really don't have enough experience with enough different breeds to say how they stack up against others. I'd like to do a comparison on honey & mite counts between them and some others, but my weavers will be my only second year colonies so it's really not going to work out, plus I don't have enough hives (yet) to get a good sample size anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riskybizz View Post
    >Another thing, africans have a natural resistance to mites.

    Is this not a direct correlation to their excessive swarming tendencies, often times leaving the parent colonies' brood cycle interrupted. I'm not so sure that genetically, Africans are any less susceptible to varroa. As I recall this has been well documented.
    The swarming thing has been well documented. However, there's more. If an african hive is deliberatly contaminated with mites, and a sticky board put in, a lot of the mites found on it will be damaged, or as the researchers sometimes call it, "chewed". That means, that the african bees are actually attacking the mites, and biting them.
    Interesting Riskybizz, that you say the bees you've had from them have been gentle, ie, presumably not africanised, but that you've had mites on them.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

  16. #56
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    I do see mites in a few yards, in some colonies, not all. The BeeWeaver queens were from packages 3 years ago. I have as mentioned made splits from several of them as they are good producers. The original hives were a little runny on the comb. I can distinguish them from some others (like Minn. Hygienic). In all honesty the BeeWeavers have always been ok to work. Are they gentle, no not really. Do I take stings working these hives? Well yes depending on the manipulation. If I'm doing brood checks and tearing the hives down, and the weather happens to be less than ideal, maybe a little too cold, windy, or if the nectar flow is not a good one, they can become a little nasty. I have however found that to also be the case with most of my colonies thought, and not a unique characteristic of the Beeweavers. Laura is sending me a few more queens this spring to make some splits. I'll keep you posted. I have never used any treatments of any kind on any of my colonies.
    "Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti

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    Well you've had a good experience, same as many.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

  18. #58
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    I might relay an interesting incident that did happen 2 years ago to one colony of BeeWeavers. A previous 'normal" hive suddenly became quite aggressive. I was making up some splits in the yard and was run out. Now this had not previously happened before and I was naturally concerned. Why would a normal, non-aggressive colony suddenly turn very mean. Well we all know the answer to that is that it could be a result of many different factors. However, one theory is that when this queen mated at Beeweaver's she mated with many drones some of which were Africanized drones. Weavers readily admit this happens. One theory recognizes the fact that when different sperm is deposit within the queen, it is then stored in "layers" and that when these layers are subsequently reached, they produce more aggressive offspring. I spoke with Danny Weaver regarding this possibility and he agreed that it was possible. Sorry if i'm off topic here.
    "Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti

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    The layering thing is correct, in my own experience. I have two strains, one black, one yellow. I had a marked black queen I was using as a breeder. For perhaps 18 months all she produced was black bees and black queens. Then, from out of nowhere, the hive started getting yellow hybrids in it. And some of the queens from her are now golden with a black tip.

    She's an awesome queen so I still breed from it, just, the golden queens from her are sold as hybrids.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Treatment-Free Beekeeping without Small Cell

    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    there have been a number of passing mentions of treatment-free beekeeping on conventional foundation. I know it can be done, one of my pastors at church has seven hives treatment-free on regular foundation last I heard. On the other hand, most if not all the cases I've heard of where conventional hives have gone cold turkey, there has been huge death.

    Who does this? Assuming BeeWeaver does it, there's our example for a commercial operation. And boy are they real proud of their stuff.
    Not sure but I believe that John Kefuss is still on standard foundation and running an operation of comparable size to b weaver. Anyone here know for sure?

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