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    Default Sugar bricks recipe

    I was following a thread here about sugar bricks and so I am wondering about a recipe for sugar bricks that contain pollen or other ingredients that would be beneficial for year-round feeding.
    One specific question is regarding the addition of pollen and if it is ruined by the heat of processing the sugar bricks (+/- 270*). I like the idea of using frames as forms and just adding/replacing them directly into the brood box. I am thinking that I could use some 1" mesh in the grooved top and bottom rails to support the brick.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    ccar2000 I found a recipe for fondant that once the mix had cooled to 200F you add your dry pollen sub. I can not speak for its effectivness as I am just trying this out myself now.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    I made the Megabee candy board recipe last winter (4% protein content):
    http://www.megabeediet.com/candy.html

    I used a turkey fryer and did 25 lbs of sugar at a time. A five-gallon paint mixer attached to a 3/8 drill was used to stir the mixture. The hot, liquid mixture was poured into aluminum pie tins. The pie tins are easy to remove and reuse.

    It worked great. The bees built up nicely in late winter/early spring using the Megabee candy.

    The problem is the amount of time it took to heat/make the candy. So, this year I'm thinking of just mixing dry Megabee with dry sugar at a 1:7 ratio (same as the 4% protein candy recipe) and placing it on newspaper on the top bars (ŕ la the Mountain Camp approach). I will use a 1 1/2 inch shim (as I did with the candy) to provide space for the Megabee/sugar mix.

    Has anyone used a dry Megabee/sugar mix? How did it work?
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    i want to mix the megabee/sugar fondant too, and form it onto both sides of a frame with plastic foundation. i guess it gets rock hard when it sets, but can soften up when exposed to moisture. i am wondering if it would fall off the frame if it got soft, and if so, would you need to put some screen over it?

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    I am planning on removing the plastic foundation sheet and replacing it with 1" hardware cloth cut to fit in the foundation grooves on the frame to support the sugar brick in the frame. I figure by using the large mesh the bees can get at it all from the side of the frame closest to the brood nest. If you leave in the foundation sheet the bees would have to travel around to the other side of the frame to get to it.
    http://robo.bushkillfarms.com/beekee...gency-feeding/
    This recipe states about nine pounds to a single frame.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    good idea, and less likely to 'slide' off. i like it.

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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    squarepeg what i did was lay alminium foil down and lay a frame on its side on the foil. I then formed the foil around the sides of the frame and poured the fondant into that. Let is cool for a few hours and BAMM. My bees have been eating it and the corners are still holding up. I guess I will find out in the spring.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    excellent. maybe my fears about the fondant sliding off were unfounded. this seems like a great way to put emergency feed in. i was wondering why the method was not used more. i have a few small nucs that are probably too light. one of them already has an empty comb in it. i plan on replacing that empty frame with a frame of fondant.

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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    well i am no expert, so take my suggestion at its face value. If you do this let me know how it works for you.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    sounds like you are the most experienced in this regard so far. i appreciate the feedback. likewise, keep us posted.

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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    I like the idea of using the aluminum foil as a form, Jaseemtp. Do you use pollen in your mix?
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    This is one of the frames we built for making the sugar frame with

    Attachment 873

    Once the order of MegaBee and fresh pollen arrive from Brushy Mountain we will make the sugar frames. Although it may be too late in most areas, in the high desert you never know when an 80* day will pop up. Maybe the sugar frames will benefit the hives for winter/spring feeding before the flow?
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    can't wait to see the photo ccar, (pending approval). did you see my post about bending a three sided cage out of half inch hardware cloth and attaching it to a frame? i'm also waiting for my pollen substitute to arrive. i'm hoping my bricks will be firm enough to slide into the cage.

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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    Hey square. I just read your post regarding the use of the 1/2" hardware cloth. That should work great. Hopefully one of the moderators will release my pic for viewing. Are you planning on using bee pollen and substitute in your sugar frame?
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    yes, planing on using the protien mix with the sugar. i'm not great with e photos, but will try to get a picture posted.

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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    I have used both dry pollen sub and the soy flour. So far my bees have not been picky and eating up.
    I have some frames where I used the #8 hardware cloth in place of foundation and it made me feel better about the fondant not falling off. But I am lazy and that is another step that Im thinking wont change much. Ccar2000 bout being in the desert, Im in Texas and we most certainly will have some warm days during our winter. I feel its better to have the fondant on them and they not need then not have anything on them. Currently our temps are pretty low, I think this week our lows will be in the upper 20s and low 30s with highs lower than the 40s.
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    There are my empty frames waiting on the fondant
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    and here they are after cooling off
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    jaseemtp, Do you have to coat the foil with anything or does it peel off pretty easily? I saw somewhere else that someone used waxed paper. But, I think they left it in place maybe.
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    Default Re: Sugar bricks recipe

    The foil peels off pretty easy for me, so time little bits would stay but it was noting to remove it.
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