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    Default Protein Patty recipe



    20 lbs Brewers yeast
    20 lbs soy flour
    10 lbs dried egg
    10 lbs irradiated pollen
    Cup lemon juice
    Cup of canola oil
    40-50 lbs HFCS

    This is the recipe I had been mixing last spring with great consumption and brooding results. This pic was taken near the end of our spring dandelion flow. Bellying up to the trough lol
    The HFCS kept the patties firm which softened in the hive. I still have some sitting on my desk as plyable as the day I mixed it up.
    I mixed a few thousand pounds up this spring in a laundry tub using a low speed drill and a mortar mixer. I'd pour the mix into a plastic lined tub to sit overnight to set up, then cut weight and wrap with wax paper into 1 or 2 lbs slabs. Having the dry ingredients at hand, I mixed up patties on demand through out the spring season. There are no spoilage issues storing ingredients dry until needed
    I also halfed my sugars with premium (in house) melter honey. It makes for a great stimulant
    Last edited by Ian; 11-02-2015 at 07:33 AM.

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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    "10 lbs fried egg"

    You mean 10 lbs dry egg.
    So what is the recipe to make a 10 lbs sub batch from this one?
    Don't mix foreign bees into a virgin hive. She might get balled 100% of the time! When will you ever learn, huh?

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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    2 lbs Brewers yeast
    2 lbs soy flour
    1 lbs fried egg
    1 lbs irradiated pollen
    1.6 Tablespoons lemon juice
    1.6 Tablespoons of canola oil
    4-5 lbs HFCS
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    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    "10 lbs fried egg"

    You mean 10 lbs dry egg.
    So what is the recipe to make a 10 lbs sub batch from this one?
    Mobile auto correct
    Last edited by Ian; 11-02-2015 at 08:00 AM.

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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    Where do you purchase your ingredients?

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    I get mine in from BeeMaid. The dried egg comes in special order from a cracked plant out east, the irradiated pollen comes in special order from the China. I'll give you a cost break down tonight

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    Thank you Ian!

    It's obvious that you've done your homework. Anymore info like website links or company contacts would be very appreciated.

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    I thought sometime back there was concern about ingredients coming from China. Is this no longer an issue?
    Regards, Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I thought sometime back there was concern about ingredients coming from China. Is this no longer an issue?
    Oh yes, my top concern. I'm assured all pathogens are eliminated through irradiation but unsure of the heavy metal content. Costs are half of local

    The bees take these patties regardless if there is pollen added or not.

    Largest reason I add pollen is because I subscribe to Jean-Marc's news letter

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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    You could always trap canola pollen? Dont know if its worth the time and effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    You could always trap canola pollen? Dont know if its worth the time and effort.
    On that list to do, we also have an irradiation facility nearby

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    Ian, have you seen that study where nosema goes up a lot with patties feed bee pollen in them, can't remember where I read it at but i'm sure RS or somebody will chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Ian, have you seen that study where nosema goes up a lot with patties feed bee pollen in them, can't remember where I read it at but i'm sure RS or somebody will chime in.
    No I have not heard that and I am extremely interested in hearing more.
    What was the jist Keith, reasoning behind? As opposed to fresh pollen foraged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Ian, have you seen that study where nosema goes up a lot with patties feed bee pollen in them, can't remember where I read it at but i'm sure RS or somebody will chime in.
    Keith is that the article that came out several years ago using "old" pollen and sub? If that is the article, I think it came out of Western Canada?
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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0132014

    Characterizing the Impact of Commercial Pollen Substitute Diets on the Level of Nosema spp. in Honey Bees (Apis mellifera L.)
    Regards, Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0132014

    Characterizing the Impact of Commercial Pollen Substitute Diets on the Level of Nosema spp. in Honey Bees (Apis mellifera L.)
    Barry, that wasn't the one I was thinking of. It has been a little while since I read the paper you referenced, but I think the jist was that pollen was a little better, health-wise, for the bees than pollen subs when inoculating caged bees with nosema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0132014

    Characterizing the Impact of Commercial Pollen Substitute Diets on the Level of Nosema spp. in Honey Bees (Apis mellifera L.)
    >>"The Nosema levels in sucrose-inoculated bees fed pollen was higher than in sucrose-inoculated bees not fed pollen "<<

    I gather this is more so to do with simply activation of the nosema spores in the bees gut. Makes me rethink late season feeding of protein supplements to the bees.
    If Fumagillin actually worked against this new strain, Nosema Ceranae, feeding a late season high protein diet followed with a fumagillin treatment would be beneficial. BUT my trials find fumagillin ineffective against Ceranae... infact counter...

    Something they should of added within the study was comparing mal nourished bees with properly nourished bees before testing. I bet I could predict that outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beesohappy View Post
    Thank you Ian!

    It's obvious that you've done your homework. Anymore info like website links or company contacts would be very appreciated.
    Using feedback from beesource (good and argumentative) and Randy Oliver (an asset in every beekeepers pocket), I scratched out something simple. Balance the profile, ensure there are proper fats Vits available and watch the cost. Don't get caught up in hype. I tested hype, hype does not work, leave hype on the shelf...
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    Default Re: Protein Patty recipe

    I like Ian's approach which keeps it simple. I posted a similar formulation on BS a year or two ago, and some of the guys said it was too simple. Diets really don't have to be complicated, and most aren't, but gimmicks sell...

    Another similar diet that we have tested for "off the shelf" items that most can find at the grocery store is:
    1 lbs yellow corn flour
    3 lbs soy flour
    1 lbs dried egg
    1 lbs irradiated pollen (optional)
    1.6 Tablespoons lemon juice
    1.6 Tablespoons of corn oil (more can be added)
    4-5 lbs HFCS or honey as Ian suggested
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post

    Something they should of added within the study was comparing mal nourished bees with properly nourished bees before testing. I bet I could predict that outcome.
    Yep, that ones a given........

    I think "IF" I remember correctly it was a conversation with Kirk Anderson Ian,don't hold me to it but I will be seeing him in two weeks I will ask.
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