Pops - please don't take offense from the above. Miscommunication is rampant here! Your comments are as valuable as anyone elses.
USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft
Miscommunication is exactly right!!! Daniel Y he wasn't even saying anything about anything about you. He didn't even quote you. He was making an observation about the difference between knowledge and experience. He wasn't saying anything about who has what experience, knowledge or what.
This thread has been and is very helpful in many ways looking to rear queens!!! This is a busy time of year and no doubt some of us may not be in the best spirits as we ought to be.
I removed this post myself. I think I am confused about what thread I am reading. So as a serious response to what I earlier took as an insulting comment by volunteerK9.
I eventually made around 250 grafting attempts. This morning I was reading that post in response to one I had made about mating nucs. I am now thinking that is an entirely different thread. I am not entirely sure because posts seem to appear and disappear on this site.
Anyway my apology K9 and even to Pops if you thought I was replying to you.
Last edited by Daniel Y; 12-13-2013 at 07:37 PM.
Everything gets darker, as it goes to where there is less light. Darrel Tank (5PM drawing instructor)
Well there is a silver lining in everything. . . This caused me to go back and reread the first page of this thread which was where the quotes were from. This is a great thread.
Built my box for the starter/finisher today even though I wont populate it or try grafting for another 6 weeks. I'm thinking about building a lighted frame holder with LED light on it (battery powered). My 60 year old eyes need all the help they can get All my bees are in the wintering shed and there is still snow on the ground but spring will be here soon....Wintering ability will be my first character I graft for......
For you and I that's a given. Everything else is gravy.
Zone 5B and waiting. 29m
WWFoste---They look great , how about a pic of your cell starter/finisher
And did you do the trick of putting in a frame of open brood a couple of days before you actually put in your grafts? Whatever you did, it looks like it worked.....Good Job..
This thread is great. I plan on trying to raise some queens this summer using this method. My question is after the cells are capped can you add more grafts. Leave the original capped grafts in the hive to incubate. You would be using a frame with enough slots in the sides to add more bars with grafts on them. The capped cells would just stay in another 5 days to incubate. Theoretically you could pull ripe cells and add new grafts about every 5 days. I'm thinking there are a couple references to this but they don't just come out and say so. Is my reasoning sound or have I missed something?
Jump back to post #40
My thoughts are the nuc would never have more than say 10 cells to start and build. Lets say my goal would be 5 cells at a time. I put in my first bar with cells and 5 days later they are capped. Just sitting there keeping warm. On day 5 I put in another bar of cells. For the next 5 days bees start and finish that bar. At the end of 10 days the first bar is ready to be removed and the queens put in mating nucs. The second bar I put in on day 5 is capped and just sitting there for another 5 days staying warm. After removing the first bar on day 10 I put another bar with new cells in it's place and just repeat the cycle every 5 days.
The bees never have more than a very few cells to start and finish at one time but they will be doing that work almost continuously.
Glad this old thread got resurrected
I made up a 12" (30.5 cm) tall, 6-frame, ventilated nucleus box to use for this Cell Builder method. This worked out well the 2 years I used it. The big benefit is that it is used often throughout the season, and you can learn a lot without committing a lot of resources, while building up your apiary from pretty stinkin' small to pretty booming big.
I'm now in the middle of a major change-over to BIG BOX equipment - Modified Square Jumbo Dadant beehives, so will be making evthreeen bigger 6-frame nuc's, and a bundle of mating nuc's.
David published elsewhere that his schedule is to start a batch of queen cells every 11 days, cutting and planting on the 10th day, and that the queen cells stay in the mating nuc's for 22 days. If one modifies this to starting a batch every 12th day, you can eventually run 3 such Cell Builders starting a batch every 4th day, running a total of 60 nuc's. After a season or 2 of this, you'll have the resources for running full-blown 3-box cell builder colonies using Michael Palmer / Brother Adam's method.
Thank you, David, and Thank you, Joseph. This is the key to growing a bigger apiary - "Right-size" queen rearing for your own apiray's resources! I now do a photo inventory of every frame in the entire apiary before starting queen rearing and again before making nuc's. This way, I know when to quit before resources run out.
An incubator and a queen bank give a lot of flexibility to the system, for when things don't go according to plan. This system gets both populated with queens in the first place.
Well done, wwfoste, this will be my second year using this technique. I love opening up mating nucs, it's like a little present every time.
Sometime later this year I will use a queen right finisher, but haven't gotten to that point yet. Maybe after the next graft.
Here's my first round this year, grafted 4/13.
Hoping for good luck on this first round. Like last year, though, it looks like they might end up mating at the same time as the ones grafted a week later do. May 1st is the first date for possible mating for the first round. The take on the bottom bar is awful because it got dropped into the grass and dirt and a bunch fell off. So 29 of 38 took (not all pictured). I don't think there was a miss on the top bar though... dropping them didn't do them favors. I did a 24 hour pic and it looked like 100% acceptance, but I didn't look too closely.