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  1. #1
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    Default Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    Spring DownUnder. Got a call last night for some bees, swarm had been on the side of the house for 5 days, had started building comb on outside of house and was entering wall, I knocked them into a hive with some frames and a couple of top bars, thought the queen was in the wall, still not sure if she is or not.
    Today they have started daisy chaining/ festooning on one top bar as well as joining the broken comb on the base of the hive to the other frames.
    Sstill some coming and going from the wall, doesn't seem to be much activity going in and out of the hive, so possibly just using the nectar and wax from the comb they built the last few days that I knocked in to make new stuff within the hive. Thought I would try to relocate the hive tonight, but only 0.8 miles.
    What are my chances, a few pine needles at the entrance in the morning?
    If the queen is still in the wall I know I have no chance?
    Edit:
    Have just been back and upset them, pulled out the comb from the bottom of the hive that was laying over (and now joined to the other frames) to try to make it easier to get at them later. Yes I probably shouldn't have, more bees now going back to the hole in the house, I suppose I will have to play a waiting game for a few days and see what they do.
    Last edited by 100 td; 10-24-2011 at 11:49 PM.

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    If they're going back to the hole in the house, the queen most likely is in there. You'll have to do a cutout to get her and the rest of them out. This involves cutting through siding or roofing structures to get at them. It can be a very complicated project depending upon where exactly the bees are in a particular structure. If you don't know how to do it then I would look at a local bee club for help. Most clubs usually have a couple of beekeepers who do cutouts.

    I would be happy to do it for you if you paid all transportation cost!!!
    President, San Francisco Beekeepers Association
    www.habitatforhoneybees.org

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie B View Post
    I would be happy to do it for you if you paid all transportation cost!!!
    Mmmmm, thanks for the offer!

    I think, (I mean hope), the queen is actually in the hive, will have to wait a few days to find out I guess.
    The wall is brick so a cone trap would be the only way but I don't have and eggs/brood so will just have to sit and watch.

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    I would put on the cone trap and leave the box the bees are in right below it. Maybe you do have her, who knows. If you do you will get them all. If you don't, you need to find a queen for them

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    100td,
    If you have bees in the box and the wall too, they are moving their stores to the box. My experence tells me the box would be empty if she was not there.
    GOOD LUCK.

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    Queen must be in hive, only a very small swarm, probably 2 fistfuls or so, no more bees on the wall, (swarm had only been there for 5 days) have closed up the entrance very small (1 inch) but I think robbers are coming and going. I noticed drones going in while I was there today, I guess they are robbing as well.
    I will have to move the hive or it will be robbed dry, maybe build a screen for the entrance.
    They are building a bit of comb in between two frames of foundation, but I will have to live with that or I will loose them all. I would prefer to leave them in place for a few weeks, they owner wants them out but may be able to some more time.
    What do you think about a move of 0.8 mile, they will probably go back?

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    I believe this was your original reason for this thread.

    This was all taken from an online source so I'm not taking
    credit for it.

    MOVING BEES A SHORT DISTANCE:

    If you move bees more than 5-10 feet and less than 1 mile, the field bees
    will return to their original site rather than to their new hive location.
    Bees orient to their hive by physical landmarks, not by some special radar.
    This can create problems for the colony that loses its field force and also
    for the beekeeper. Family members and neighbors may not appreciate having
    a number of disoriented bees nearby. If you want to move a colony a short
    distance for example from one side of the yard to the other the move should
    be done a few feet at a time, with several days in between each leg of the
    journey.Alternately, move the colony at least 1 1/2 miles away for
    a minimum of 10 days, then move it back to the new desired location.

    Some places I have read say move them up to 3 miles away.

    Start from page 306 under Moving Bees in the following link from
    The ABC and XYZ of bee culture.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/abcxyz...e/306/mode/2up

    You can download the book here in many formats.

    http://www.archive.org/details/abcxyzofbeecultu00root

    This site has many old but good bee books. Just do a search on bees in the search bar
    on top and set the filters to all media instead of Biodiversity Heritage Library.

    Why reinvent the wheel?

    Do buy a few books to support the bee industry and it's researchers though.

    Good Luck with your bee move.
    Last edited by Lost Bee; 10-27-2011 at 05:41 AM.

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    Michael Bush has said that he moves hives 100 yards and has no problems. He places a board in front of the hive to "force" them to crawl over it to reorient and by the second day all is well. Another "trick" is to close them up for 1-2 days and when they come out again most of them if not all will reorient. I tried this however the thing I missed is the weather was too cold those days and they wouldn't have come out anyway. I did have an issue w/ about 500 bees or so from a small nuc (5 frame deep) that I moved went back to their old location. I did have an extra empty hive that I put up in the old hive location about an hour or two before dark and moved them after dark to the new location by pointing the hive directly at the other one. This worked and I saw a few bees after that fly to the old location only do realize and go right to the new location about 50 yards away.

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    Default Re: Can I relocate bees 0.8 mile 5/6 days after swarm

    Thanks to everyone who replied, I will check with the owner about attempting to relocate short distance, she wants them gone soon, she has been patient, I don't want them coming back to upset her.
    Thanks to delber for Michael Bush's comments and to Lost Bee for a good online reading resource!
    Checked on them today, they are building comb, 1/2 frame of capped brood, small bit of capped honey plus pollen and nectar. approx 5 frames drawn, queen is laying , BIG burr comb (second comb between frames, will deal with it later.

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