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[beeware10]

mark---I have some ideas on how to increase membership. will run them by you in the morning.

[Roland]

SQKCRK - your explanation of the injector failure is logical. The tank delaminated, releasing particles, which where collected by a properly functioning fuel filter. It stopped the particles, and then blocked the flow of diesel to the injectors. The injectors, if like the others I have disassembled, have extreemely tight tolerances, and are machined to a mirror finish. The clearance is very tight(nearly molecular), and the only lubrication, and cooling, is the diesel fuel. If there is not enough fuel, the two pieces of metal touch, and the surface is ruined. Often there are no rings to seal with, only the very tight clearances make the seal.

DO you change you fuel filter every oil change?

Bummer Dude, on the new tank cost. My diesel fuel tank is raw steel(I welded on it), and it is from 1982. Can you remove the liner with heat?

Crazy Roland

[sqkcrk]

I don't know Roland. Is there some way of cleaning the tank of what is loose in there now? And then change filters regularly? Is inspecting fuel filters standard operating procedure at Ford Dealership Shops? Or do most just change and chuck w/out looking at them? I wonder how far I can get before the filter clogs again. Not that I'm using that tank.

[Acebird]

Ace... you can learn more in 2 days there than you can learn in 2 years on your own.

That is what I like to hear.

1200, you get the feeling they got you by the short hairs.

I am thinking along Roland's idea of removing the liner although I was thinking chemically not with heat. I would be concerned that the same thing will happen to the other tank also. I think I would be strapping on an oil tank somewhere and sacrifice the space before I would drop 1200 towards a factory fit one.

[jim lyon]

I am going to guess you have one of those 6. Uh oh's. I was told by a Ford mechanic recently that they are a pretty good engine but cannot tolerate bad fuel at all. Any issues with water or sometimes even fuel gelling can ruin injectors. I don't need to tell you how expensive those are.

[Roland]

SQKCRK wrote:

Is inspecting fuel filters standard operating procedure at Ford Dealership Shops?

Can't say, don't work at a Ford dealer. Ask the one who is good at conjecture.

Can we get a clue at what material the liner is?

OK, so I have to admit that "Mr Conjecture" has a good line of thought. Do you have room for a generic fuel tank? The step van industry is like the early IBM clone days, alot of stuff interchanges, and is available for older models. Google "Mill Auto Supply". I saw generic looking tanks in their catalog. Big truck tanks are aluminum(have welded on those too), so you should have a few choices.

Did you ask for your old parts back? If this is a known problem, most injectors are rebuildable(I do mine), and are usually about half the price of new.

Look for a truck parts store that is not a dealer. They are usually better than the dealer at doing things inexpensively. The dealer just wants to sell you Ford parts, not solve the problem.

Crazy Roland

[sqkcrk]

I think I would be strapping on an oil tank somewhere and sacrifice the space before I would drop 1200 towards a factory fit one.

I can't afford to give up that kind of space. Were the new Fords more tried and true, I would consider using that $1200.00 as a down payment on a new truck.

I hear what you are saying Ace, but that doesn't fit my program.

Maybe I can find a different tank from a different supplier, which will fit the space.

Well, I got home. Sleepin' in my own bed tonight.

We had a well attended mtng w/ good speakers. The General Business Mtng got almost as contencious as the Board Mtng a cpl of times. But, we survived and now have some work ahead of ourselves as a Board and an Association.

For me the best part of the mtng, and the icying on the cake, was "Beekeeping in New York City" by Liane Newton and Jim Fischer. I found myself smiling throughout most of Lianes' part of their presentation, and not because it was funny. Heartwarming and positive and uplifting. Jims' part was quite interesting and informative. He got off of and away from NYC for the second half of his part of the talk. But it was good.

I was really glad they were willing and made the effort.

The final session I attended was a Q&A w/ some of the presenters, which was good too. But, unless there is something which needs clarification or some question someone might ask the panel, of which they did not speak of, Q&A can get quiet.

After it was all over, 6 of us went to the Lunch Yard and ate Chinese Food. Turns out Liane speaks Mandarin. Which was kinda neat when she conversed w/ the waitresses.

[Acebird]

Were the new Fords more tried and true, I would consider using that $1200.00 as a down payment on a new truck.

1200 not going to cover the sales tax.

In the mean time I would be adding a screen filter ahead of the regular filter to catch the delaminations. There might even be one in the tank but I don't know how easy it would be to get to it to check it every tank full. Do they have check engine lights on diesels? Seems like that would have come on before the engine started to sputter.

[sqkcrk]

There is such a light. It never came on. I often think gauges are for show. I have run this engine w/ a severe oil leak and the gauge never indicated low oil pressure.

I helped Johny Mac get his North Country bees loaded and he took the last of my honey down to his place today too. Hope to get something started w/ the truck tomorrow. As well as the tire on the trailer which keeps leaking down. And the trailer lights. Time to get the Bobcat in for a Service too.

[Acebird]

When you turn the key it should light. That tells you the bulb is good. If it lights and doesn't work when it should then it is the device that is sensing what ever. Large commercial trucks do not come under the states EPA restrictions so the check engine light is totally ignored during inspections. That is good that you don't get hog tied by the state but you should want your check engine light operable for problems like these. I am sure that is why Ford can wash their hands of the problem. Not the greatest for PR though unless all the other manufacturers have similar problems.

[sqkcrk]

Got the tire changed on the trailer. Got the load off of the truck. Got the Bobcat loaded on the trailer so I can take it in for service. Leave the trailer at the garage for service, lights and a new tire or two. And then leave the truck at another garage for fuel tank work. My "fleet" of work vehicles and machinery will be strewn around the county.

If you ever need some mouse control, spread a puddle of honey on the floor of your unheated building. My building caught 6 field mice this past weekend.

[wildbranch2007]

if you look at the link that I posted about the delamination problem, if I remember correctly, there were two companies selling replacement tanks that don't delaminate.
my chevy tells you when to change the fuel filter, but does it by mileage not vacuum pressure. some people drill a hole and you can put a guagein the cab that will tell you what the pressure is and change when to high.

[sqkcrk]

Thanks Mike.

[sqkcrk]

there appear to be after market fuel tanks that don't have the problem.

Mike,
Where does one find one of those? I couldn't find reference to such in the linked material.

[wildbranch2007]

I sent you a pm with the info and links, look at the last line of pm, they say there replacement
tanks fix the delaminating problem but only replaces rear tank. if you don't get the pm let me know I'm having pc problems. good luck

[Acebird]

Mark, isn’t this an old flat bed truck? I can’t see spending more on the tanks then what the truck is worth. Wouldn’t two of these work under the bed on each side?

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_22091_22091?cm_mmc=Aggregates-_-SMARTER-_-Hydraulics>Tanks + Reservoirs-_-40519

[sqkcrk]

Your link doesn't show in workable form. My truck is a 2005. It has had a flatbed on it from the beginning. I wouldn't call it OLD. I have tool boxes under the bed outside the frame. I have a factory installed second tank which holds 15 gallon. The standard tank, also inside the frame, is in the rear behind the axle and holds 35 gallons.

[Acebird]

Never mind, 2005 is not old at all. I would not jerry rig it either. I am not sure why I can't get the link in the right syntax.

[hpm08161947]

Ace's Link



http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...rvoirs-_-40519

[sqkcrk]

Maybe I could hang a cpl of those on my head board above my cab. The only problem would be getting fuel into them.

I have a friend who built an aluminum tank for a friend of his. It held so much fuel that Buster didn't need to buy fuel on the road traveling just under 1,000 miles.