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  1. #1
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    Default Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    I have noticed a few SHB in my hives. I've also read on this forum that you don't want to attract SHB TO your hives, but given that there are already some there, should put traps in the hives? Or put them 600 or so feet away?

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    I took a class the other weekend specifically on hive pests. The instructor said that SHB can detect food aromatics from miles away, so I don't think there's really any way to hide hives from them. She recommended the style of trap that replaces the bottom board and puts a reservoir of oil below hardware cloth. Freeman trap? Anyway, they're on the pricey side, but I'm planning on picking a couple up over the winter and starting them in the spring. I haven't had much luck with the home-made fermented bait traps. She also recommended the hang-between traps that you fill with vinegar and oil, though lots of people report those are hard to remove and often result in spills.

    You know, her top piece of advice, not just for SHB but for everything, was to use only the number of boxes that the bees need. She repeatedly said, "Reduce your real estate," so maybe the way we should be looking at this is that hive pests are an indication that there's one box too many on our hives. I'm a first year beek, so hopefully people who actually know things will chime in soon.

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    This is my second year in beekeeping, so you can take this with a grain of salt. I have freeman beetle traps and like them. I have seen some beetles and larvae in the traps. Yes, they are pricey but worth while. I also have the little oil traps between 2 frames. I havent caught many beetles in them, and the spillage of oil, sometimes causes dead bees.

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    Look up milky spore. It,s the greatest.

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod6779 View Post
    Look up milky spore. It,s the greatest.
    You've had success using this for killing shb?

    Ed

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    Milky Spore is ineffective against shb. It only works on the youngest, most vulnerable stage of larvae/grub development, which occurs within the hive for shb... placing Milky Spore inside the hives does have an effect on bee brood as well, which leads to the development of brood diseases... it is not a threat to honey bees in their adult state, and as larvae, it can not come into contact with them as a feed because they are confined to the cells... but if applied in the hives, the bees will work to clean it out, and in turn, take it in which leaves spores in their guttural systems which passes them on to the brood during feeding...

    Shb can detect 2 ppb (parts per Billion) of pollen from miles away... there is no hiding hives from them... baited traps cannot compare to the attractant of the hives... the purpose of the bait within the hives is to encourage the shb to enter the traps as a safe place to feed, away from the bees...

    The best place to install traps is inside of the hives where the beetles will go no matter what..

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    Quote Originally Posted by jengalill View Post
    I have noticed a few SHB in my hives. I've also read on this forum that you don't want to attract SHB TO your hives, but given that there are already some there, should put traps in the hives? Or put them 600 or so feet away?
    I treat my hives inside with SHB traps, and outside I "treat" my hives placing them in the middle of my poultry run.

    I guess chickens, ducks and newly acquired Guinea hens "treat" most bee enemies including ants all right I guess....

    This treatment is 100% organic and free.

    My birds do not charge me for this treatment, and give me meat and eggs as a bonus.

    I kept birds before my beekeeping adventure so I thought I may as well employ them to control bee enemies.

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    o.k
    i live in south Mississippi and the shb are very bad down here, the solution i have found to my problem with them, keep in mind i'm a small timer,only 4 hives, is the IPK beetle trap, it replaces the bottom board with a tray, the tray has a tray in side that holds vegi oil. as the beetles come in they fall through the screen and drown in the oil. this has kept my hive's from being slimmed and helps keep the shb under control. i have tried all kinds of things but this is the one thing that has helped me, the only draw back is you need to check it every 2-3 weeks to replace the oil in the tray. if u have large quantities of hives it may not be cost effective. they are a little expensive but the web site shows how u can build it yourself if u like.
    kindest regards
    brad
    God helps those who help themselves, the government helps those who don't want to work!

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    Default Re: Treating SHB inside or outside the hive?

    On occasion I have found one or two live beetles in my hive running for cover before I squished them. At what point are they a problem to the hive when you live in an area that has sub freezing temperatures? Surely, the beetle traps do not get all the adult beetles and in the south there is no killing temperatures during the winter to curb their populations. So there has to be a minimum population where the bee and the beetle can coexist otherwise there would be no hives in the south.
    Brian Cardinal
    Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping

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