Testing pollen sub

[Johnny]

When doing lab testing on pollen sub you've made, what profiles do you ask for? Is it just the protein, fat and ph? Or should you have them test for anything else? If so what else are you looking for? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
John

[Keith Jarrett]

Ahhhh gee, now you want to make your own after you've used the best.

Some use the Degroot protein profile as the BIBLE of profiles... & and some don't. Some never mention "fats" in there sub, but heres some thoughts on those vitiams,minerals,cholesterol,lipuids far out weigh protein alone on your radar screen.

Johnny, don't be fooled by "crude protein" this doesn't mean much, what your looking for is soluble protein, ie, what is extracted in the bees gut, not what just passes through.

Here is your quiz for the day John, Beta-Carotene, Beta-Cryptoxanthin,trans-Lutein,alpha-Carotene & so on, I could go for hours But I don't want to tip my hat to the folks that try to copy my sub or rename there's as close as they can to mine.

[michael-bees]

Dont forget about the amino acids. Wait till silliker tells you what that costs for the test. If keith is selling to you the best bet is keep buying it from him. Obviously he knows what he is doing.

[Johnny]

Ahhhh gee, now you want to make your own after you've used the best.

I don't want to tip my hat to the folks that try to copy my sub or rename there's as close as they can to mine.

Hey Keith,

I'm just fooling around with some yeast and sugar. Speaking of the best I'm ready for some of that



And they charge you double.

[Keith Jarrett]

Hey Keith,

I'm just fooling around with some yeast and sugar.

Hey John, that sums up about 90% of the commercial folks.

[jim lyon]

You mean there is more than just yeast and sugar in there? Oh yeah Bee-Pro naaaaa just kidding. But seriously how can Keith ever say his stuff is as good as Mann Lakes' Ultra Bee until he starts spending more money on fancy colored ads to prove it.

[honeyshack]

look no futher than globle patty soy & brewers yeast.

I am assuming you mean global patties...out of Alberta? Just asking, and asking if there is issues with this patty....just asking, no insult intended

[Keith Jarrett]

Mann Lakes' Ultra Bee .

You mean Cargill's "Empyreal 75" never find that stuff in my sub.

How about that gmo corn, lol

[Keith Jarrett]

if there is issues with this patty....just asking, no insult intended

Honeyshack, there's no issues with the globle patty they are fine, Johnny made a point of playing around with yeast as a sub ingredient, and I said 90% of the industry uses yeast of some sorts.

[Johnny]

Okay so can someone tell me what a carotenoid is all about?

[high rate of speed]

glad that someone slid the card.to get his attention.

[G B]

You mean Cargill's "Empyreal 75" never find that stuff in my sub.

How about that gmo corn, lol

Keith I googled Empyreal 75 according to cargill its the best thing since sliced bread? may I ask what problem you see with it? Thanks George

[Keith Jarrett]

Empyreal 75 according to cargill its the best thing since sliced bread? Thanks George

Maybe for dog & cat food, What impressed you on this product George?

[G B]

My point exactely keith, I see its for other animals but bees not mentioned. But Cargil seems to think its the best thing going. After I get done pulling honey I will have to make a fast trip to get some sub from you or Tom.

[Keith Jarrett]

I see its for other animals but bees not mentioned.

George, let me give you some data on this product, this is why I don't like it , you will have Amino acid "GLUTAMIC ACID" at 20.26 % then to only have "LYSINE" at 1.43%. Sure, it states that it has 75% crude protein but it is not very well balanced, just like they can state 20% cude protein in pollen sub,But we all know that the real question is "what is the limiting factor". Not to mention "empyreal75" is not milled toward honeybee use, and you will find roughly 25% is not used by bees.

But I can say that stuff is CHEAP, about $.70 per pound, to the naked eye that looks like a real bargin for 75% CRUDE protein.

[G B]

Hello Keith, well I guess I better just own up to the fact that I am trying to increase my hive count as fast as I can and just didnt want to spend alot of time studying up on these feed ingrediantes ( read eye glaze over rapidly) when studying up on this subject. I guess I will have to educate myself but there is just so darn much to learn about these little critters.

[jim lyon]

The thing is GB just don't worry about all that stuff. Let Keith figure it out and then go buy the Nutra Bee from him. If you are anything like me you just don't have enough brain cells to figure everything out, just delegate it to the experts.

[G B]

The thing is GB just don't worry about all that stuff. Let Keith figure it out and then go buy the Nutra Bee from him. If you are anything like me you just don't have enough brain cells to figure everything out, just delegate it to the experts.

Thats kinda where I am at Jim.Just too much to learn for this late blooming bee keeper...lol But I guess I do need to have some basic understanding of the nutrition requirements

[jim lyon]

Thats kinda where I am at Jim.Just too much to learn for this late blooming bee keeper...lol But I guess I do need to have some basic understanding of the nutrition requirements

Shoot I had to go check my medicine cabinet, I thought Lisine was the stuff I use for mouthwash.

[sqkcrk]

Visine for the eyes and Listerine for the breath. Lisine? No idea.