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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Many club based co-ops have been formed and tried, but never last. Too many people are temporary perhaps.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    I have to say that their customer service is a joke! More of their carefree attitude and comlete incompetence really. I called them with some questions on the nuc feeders listed on their website. I asked to speak to someone with knowledge of this particular product and was told that nobody knew anything about them since they no longer carried the feeders. I then informed Stephan that they were still listed on their website and they could be added to your cart to purchase them, with nothing showing that this was no longer carried. I told him that along with the suggestion that if they no longer handled this product that hopefully he could pass it on and that they could be removed from the site. He then informed me that "well, we have some left in inventory but they have been discontinued by manufacturer" Which is BS because I know several other places that handle the same exact feeder and asked the other suppliers about it afterwards. I then asked him how many they had left in stock and I was told that he could not release any information like that to me. I tried to explain that the only reason I was asking was that I wanted to purchase a large quantity of them. He then said the only info he could "release" was that they were Nuc feeders. The conversation continued on for a bit as I tried to find out exactly which feeder it was they had left and if they had the amount that I wanted in stock or not. I never found out either and his answers only became more bizarre. I finally just busted out laughing, thanked him for his time and got off of the phone as I realized that I was going nowhere with someone that incompetent and was not about to send my money to them. It was truly the strangest experience that I have ever had with a customer service rep. in my life. I guess the feeders they carry up there somehow play a role in our national security.

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    I appreciate the warning. I've just been dealing with Dadant, and indirectly with Mann Lake. It also makes me aware of what customer service should be in my own online store. I pass I think, since I cut a refund and did a reship based on photos of damage last week.

    (has nothing to do with bees, a small encumbrance I've been carrying for the last 12 years.)

    Actually if the situation with Betterbee's employees is deteriorating, possibly they have lost their best people, and that is not a good sign of a company to place a large advance order with. And out of stock, can be out of stock, OR didn't pay the vendor's invoice. In this business climate, you just never know.

    Gypsi

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    Hi all! Just wanted to take a moment to share my experience with Betterbee. I've been ordering bottles, labels and other perephrial items from better bee for several years with the last order placed in July 2010. When I received my order last July, a package of 5 dippers had been opened and there was only 4 dippers in it. I called Betterbee and notified them within a couple days and I suggested they just credit my account as I believed I'd be ordering from them again and they could apply it to the next order. Well, I called about 6 weeks ago to order more items and I asked about the credit that was supposed to be applied. Steffan couldn't find any record of the credit and acted like he didn't care about it. I even had to send them a copy of my invoice from last July because they couldn't find any record of my order. Elizabeth told me that if a credit was applied to someones account, it was zero'd out at the end of the year by sending a check. I never got a check. I left messages for Liz(customer service manager) two different times and spoke with her twice. She was going to "look into and and call me back". After several calls to Steffan, Elizabeth, and Liz with promises to look into it and call me back, none of them felt my issue was important enough to give me a return call. With a little help from Steffan, I found the owners name is Margaret Stevens who can be found thanks to the internet. I called Ms Stevens and spoke with her breifly about my issue. When I told her that I was asking about a credit from a prior order and how much it was, she laughed and said she'd e-mail Lea to get it taken care of. That was on 9/7 and I still have not been contacted by Betterbee. I'll probably call them again tomorrow and try to talk to Lea but I have doubt's I'll be able to get the customer service gate keepers to let me through. Then I'll call Margaret again and probably just get another blow off from her.
    The dipper is listed for about 90 cents. I know, you're saying why waste time over 90 cents, but it's not the amount, it's the principal. I'm just glad it wasn't a big ticket item. If they'll steal 90 cents from me, I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to take more.
    I may never get my credit, but I'll sure try to make it the most expensive 90 cents they never spent. They've lost my business for ever.

    Take Care!
    Tim

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    Hi Tim,
    I do not understand these folks at all. My business with them dwindled and I was only ordering one product from their line, I thought I couldn’t get anywhere else. I discovered a competitor offered it and I moved on. In full disclosure I must say I am incredibly easy going and not a nit picker, whiner or whatever, life’s too short for that. The other companies I deal with are really great. I have been made to feel like I am their only customer with any questions or inquiries that I make.

    Ernie
    Keep on keepin' bees

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    Recently I've heard that several vendors will no longer be dealing with Betterbee. Wilbanks for packaged bees, F.W. Jones for woodenware, and Maxant for honey processing equipment. Now things heard through the grapevine aren't necessarily true, but it makes me wonder...I can understand why customers would drop a supply company for terrible service, but why would a large vendor drop the supply company?

    The check is in the mail....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Recently I've heard that several vendors will no longer be dealing with Betterbee. Wilbanks for packaged bees.
    I am pretty sure Better bee is dropping Wilbanks, They were 4 weeks late delivering packages this year. I think Loyd was using them to and is planning to go with a new supplier this season for the same reason.

    If Betterbee goes up for sale, who wants to buy it with me?
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Smile Re: Betterbee

    If you buy Betterbee, you better change the name
    Keep on keepin' bees

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    The name is everything? Justin Stevens must think so. When Kim's new book came out...Better Beekeeping, Justin objected. Kim wouldn't change the name so Justin is attempting to suit Kim. Check the list of advertisers in the back of Bee Culture Magazine. No longer lists Betterbee. Justin has withdrawn his adverts.

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Sorry to hear about your problem with BB. I just experience the most agrivating call with BB. I called about a backorder on honey containers since I'm missing out on honey sales at several harvest festivals. The sales manager can't tell me if my order will ship this week, this month or next year. I asked her to call her supplier and find out then call me back. She refused. I asked about when BB placed their order. She can't give any information out and refused to send my call upward. I asked who her supervisor was, who the owner was --nothing. Her answer was would you like me to cancel the order? I said no, I just want to find out about my bottles. I immediately consulted BeeSource to see how the supplier was rated. What's up with this supplier? All I want is an idea of when I can expect my shipment. What do you think?
    Sweet Mountain Farm - www.washingtonislandhoney.com

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Personally I think you should do business with someone else.
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    When world-class suppliers such as Root, Maxant, Swienty, and Ross Rounds will no longer do business with a distributor of bee equipment it is past time to move on. Arrogance is never a good policy, and Justin seems to have imbedded it into the entire Betterbee organization.

    Don't understand why anyone still does business with them...

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    I continue to do business with them, mostly bottles. I've never had a problem so I've never had to call customer service. Always first rate service.

    Grant
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    Beekeeping With Twenty-five Hives: https://www.createspace.com/4152725

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Quote Originally Posted by beeware10 View Post
    this is kind of a overkill to jump on betterbee for something this minor. there are bad companies along with bad customers. I'm sure they will not miss you.
    I will support the boycott. There are lots of other great places to do business.

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Wow, After reading this thread and the mention of other threads regarding service at betterbee I think I will make it a point to avoid that company in the future. HTK seems to be friendly and have some good deals. I'll stick with them.
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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    for pete' sake, you are uncapping honey combs, not doing a circumcision.
    lmao !

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post

    As far as Companies go... Can't beat Mann lake LTD. Good prices, good service, free shipping.
    Agreed, I only buy from Mann Lake and Dadant, never been disappointed so far.

    On the top of fast shipping and great customer service you get free shipping from Mann Lake on orders of $100 or more.

    I challenge anybody to find better deal from any other Bee Supplies Co on any bee supplies if you spend $100.

    From my perspective unless you buy a single hive tool, or bee brush it is hard NOT to spend 100 bucks. Any combination of a few boxes and some frames or few boxes and some foundation will put you about 100 bucks or more.

    Ask your wife how much she spends if she shops weekly for groceries, I bet it is more than 100 bucks.

    In those days for $100 you can barely cover the bottom of shopping cart with groceries!

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    Default Re: Beware of Betterbee

    Betterbee hasn't always had what I've needed, but they usually do, and I've always been treated well on the phone and in person. They are also within driving distance, so anything that costs more than $15 to ship makes it just as easy to pick up, and I enjoy the ride up there from western MA

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    Default Re: Betterbee

    I order some things from better bee...always had great service. I called the other day to place an order and they do not ship to Canada now...HUH?
    Well i will have to find a new supplier for what i need..

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    Default Betterbee

    I hear that there is new management. Can anyone confirm? If so, how do they seem to be doing?

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