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  1. #1
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    Default Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I've searched this forum for the answer, I'm sure it's here somewhere, I just can't find it!

    I plan to do a very thorough inspection of my KTBH this week. I'm wondering, do I....

    1. remove one bar, inspect, return, remove next bar, inspect, etc?
    2. remove a few bars at a time?
    3. remove a lot of bars at a time?
    4. remove all bars?
    5. something I haven't thought of?

    I have 3 entrance holes on one of the short sides and they seem to be working toward the follower board (which I've moved a few times to add a couple bars).

    Thanks for your input.

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Heather,

    When inspecting my own hives I generally inspect one, move it to the far side, inspect the next and butt it up against the last bar I inspected. This way when putting everything back together I can pick up 2-4 bars at a time and get them back in place. It also leaves less bees exposed during the inspection process.

    Best,
    Matt

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I take out like three bars from the back to give me some working room. Like this...
    vvvvv___------ (V's are comb and --- empty bars.

    Then I inspect one bar at a time. When I'm done with the bar I place it twards the back of the gap like this.

    vvvv___v----
    I keep the bars up next to each other as I place them back in because I find it makes it easier to put back together when I'm done. If you have comb on all of your bars you can use a makeshift comb stand to hold two or three while you inspect the rest. I havn't had that happen yet tho.

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigevilgrape View Post
    Like this...
    vvvvv___------ (V's are comb and --- empty bars.
    What a GREAT way to make it visual! I was having trouble trying to come up with words.

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Thanks for the input, and great visual! When I did my first inspection, I removed most of the bars and put them across a milkcrate. That worked okay, but there were too many bees in the air, which made me too nervous to really look at anything. I will try your suggestions this time and see how it goes. I think I'll use 2 milk crates and put the bars between them so I can see better too.
    Thanks again everyone!!

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I'm not a veteran but I remove a few empty bars to make some room, then inspect one at a time and and put it towards the back so that there is a gap between un-inspected and inspected comb, I slide them back up in groups if at all possible, this keeps the bees pretty much together and I have very little bees flying around.

    I'm sure this will become different once the hive is actually full though (won't be able to easily remove 3 bars).

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I usually move one at a time - unless the hive is full to the end. Then I might remove a few bars at the back and set them aside to have room to work. But then I move one at a time from there. You do require a few bars of room in order to work easily.

    Adam

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    When a hive has empty bars, it's easy to deal with the bars you remove to make an "inspection gap" -- just set them to one side. When there is comb on all the bars in the hive, what solutions have folks come up with to deal with the set-aside bars?

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    DeeAnna,

    Rarely do any of my hives have comb on all of the bars -- and if they do I would harvest ASAP so that they have some more empty bars! If you've got a follower board you'll have at least one bar's worth of a gap between combs for inspection purposes.

    Best,
    Matt

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    "...I would harvest ASAP so that they have some more empty bars!..."

    Uh, hey, good point, Matt. That will be an easy (and delicious) solution!

    Okay, um, then let me ask a related question -- What are ways to securely support a bar, if one wants to use both hands to, say, fix the comb or take a picture? I've seen a few pics of top-bar holders, but some seem too flimsy and others are built like a Sherman tank. Helpful spouses are sometimes in short supply.

    --DeeAnna

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Yummy! I agree, DeeAnna, some holders do look flimsy. I plan to use 2 overturned milk crates until I can get one built (when I did my previous inspection, I used one, but couldn't get a good look at the bars, it was very sturdy).

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Nice idea, heatherbee. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I have some buckets that used to hold bubble gum. Similar to the milkcrates idea. The buckets came from someone at my office.


    IMG_0188 by bigevilgrape

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    That works too, bigevilgrape!

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Generally I pull the farthest one out (expecting it to not have comb), and then a few more, so I can see up into the hive and then pull one right next where I think the cluster is...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it."
    My book: ThePracticalBeekeeper.com

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Okay, um, then let me ask a related question -- What are ways to securely support a bar, if one wants to use both hands to, say, fix the comb or take a picture? I've seen a few pics of top-bar holders, but some seem too flimsy and others are built like a Sherman tank. Helpful spouses are sometimes in short supply.

    I'm new to posting so I'm not really sure I'm doing this right. My husband built a really nice and simple bar holder from scrap metal for me to use. If someone can explain to me how to post a photo on here, I'll upload one. My image doesn't have a URL so the "add image" button doesn't work.

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    Usually I just put them at the other end of the hive where I removed the bars. Otherwise I flip them upside down and set them on something flat (the lid, the hive next door, the bars a the front that I don't plan to remove).
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it."
    My book: ThePracticalBeekeeper.com

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    When you flip it, do you do it quickly or slowly rotate it around? Does it make the bees mad? I don't want to get my girls stirred up.

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    >When you flip it, do you do it quickly or slowly rotate it around? Does it make the bees mad? I don't want to get my girls stirred up.

    You go on the axis that leaves the comb perpendicular to the ground. Slow is fine. The bees won't even notice.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it."
    My book: ThePracticalBeekeeper.com

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    Default Re: Inspection, how many bars removed at a time?

    I think I have figured out how to post a photo of the bar hanger my husband made from scrap metal. I can either hang the bar with the comb down or stand it upside down on the hanger. (Tried that for the first time this morning.) It makes it a very convenient height for inspecting the comb and taking pictures. It could be made from lumber as well, if you're not lucky enough to be married to a welder. Just in case the picture doesn't work right, here is a link for it: http://auntbeesbees.shutterfly.com/pictures/11

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