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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    LOVE my foundationless foray using starter strips. After their first delay at doing their first two, they now prefer working on them to the foundation. I interlace foundation/starter strip/foundation and they make their own comb straighter and nicer than the foundation. No burr or brace problems. The difference is shocking. So glad I didn't listen to all of the nay-sayers. On the other side of this frame, they've stored honey in those giant cells, so that goes to show you they don't lay it full of brood. The eggs are now nice uncapped larva. I'll be curious if these will be drones or workers. My bets are on drones, but then again, these are large pure Russians-- they might want a bit more room.
    Click for High-Res Photos: With great pictures of eggs! (Probably drones, but this shows I have one good laying queen in there-- somewhere!)


    A comparison of foundation (top) and foundationless (bottom). The top one, of course, is older. But notice the size difference.

    Pretty eggs!


  2. #22
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    Ah, I can finally jump into this thread! Alright, so I got into my hives yesterday and it was long overdue. In my deep hive bodies, it's a mix of Mann Lake PF-whatevers, the "small cell" plastic frame with foundationless. I think these pics are all of the newer medium supers above, each of which only has one plastic "ladder" frame. So the good, the bad, and the neato:

    Here's cross comb, begun at the bottom of one frame and attached at the top of the next frame over. The level says the hive is, but this is one example of "bad" foundationless:


    This one's from the same hive as above, but closer to the ladder. Great work:


    Not quite finished in the second hive, but getting a lot of use:


    New comb section in the second hive. They're really good builders over there:

  3. #23
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    Oops! Moved those pictures-- will need to repost.

    Well, here's true foundationless-- no starter strip or anything. These guys are comb building champs. I love Russians for their gorgeous festooning! And I guess I don't have SHB, either.




    Original comparison shot:
    Last edited by Kazzandra; 08-14-2011 at 05:26 PM.
    4.5 hives of Italians. 2 seasons of experience. And you-- yes, you! You're my mentor!

  4. #24
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    No cross wires, and I had absolutely zero problems extracting foundationless honey last month.

  5. #25
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    Whoa, gorgeous pictures. I've been following this thread for a while. I think of it as bee porn.

    Slightly off topic, but since festooning was mentioned above: Bees aren't injured when I gently pull a frame out that separates a festooned bunch of bees, right? I try to be careful, but it looks like they're really hanging on to each other. They just let go, right? No legs are broken, as far as we know?

  6. #26
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    MJC417, Those rods in your pictures look good, running them vertically in the frames instead of horizotally adds to the strength too. I assume you glued them in. John

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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    Well, looks like a slightly older thread revived but some good informational pics and methods revisited.

  9. #29
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    TheBix - "This year I was planning to build my first, completely foundationless beehive, but in the supers I was planning to put fishing line in for structural reinforcement..thinking of the honey extraction to come. However, your experience tells me that I don't need it. I'd like more information, if possible. And I'd be happy to put this out on the forum if you'd prefer. But, my specific question is this: Were the frames you extracted connected on all four sides of the comb? General question: What other conditions or processes did you do to successfully extract your foundationless frames?"

    The foundationless frames that I extracted were pretty much fully attached on all four sides like the middle one in the set above. I have a hand cranked Maxant 3200 and I extracted them in the tangential position - which has a lot of support for the comb. Crank carefully and don't even try to fully extract the first side in one try, flip it and extract the other side. When you have removed most of the weight of the honey you can spin it up if you want, but even if you don't there is no waste because you are just going to feed it to the bees when they clean up the stickies. It really isn't difficult at all, you just have to use reasonable care.

  10. #30
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    I'm glad this thread got bumped. That comb is just beautiful.

  11. #31
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    You can see I cut rite cell foundation into small strips with a razor knife and pound it into the grove for a starter strip. It holds better than a smooth wood strip. ALso NEVER do deep frames without a wire or dowel. You will loose a lot of great comb when it gets heavy with honey.




    Here's some beautiful honeycomb that just fell out of the frame. Especially in the winter when the outside frames get cold-ugh the comb gets brittle.And I am extremly careful about handling them.
    Last edited by Lauri; 03-09-2012 at 09:39 AM.

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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

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    LOL, now that just looks like a big yellow butt!

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    Lauri, those are very cool pictures of comb on your foundationless frames!! Upon further reading I drilled my end bars and ran two strands of 50# fishing mono horizontally through the frame for comb support. I will be tending to the hives tomorrow as well as checking a trap out tree and swarm traps, and I will be changing out the un-wired frames in the traps with wired frames.............but some sturgeon fishing is in order first thing in the morning!!
    Coyote Creek Bees

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    Ya, Sturgeon line would be great!

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    Here is a deep foundationless frame that I had in with a fresh swarm I picked up this year, actually, its a whole box of foundationless frames and they have almost all them drawn out like this!! I dont think I will be going back to plastic foundation, except in my honey supers. Very impressed though!!
    Coyote Creek Bees

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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    My friends bees:






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    Allen, very interesting pictures. I was under the impression that bees always built comb down, but those photos show they build comb both up and down.
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  18. #38
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    Here are a few pics of my foundationless frames.I really enjoy this part of beekeeping,sharing pics and ideas.

    http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/...Picture016.jpg
    http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/...DSC01994-1.jpg

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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    This is 21 days after I installed my very first package in a top bar hive...

    https://www.evernote.com/shard/s41/s...db3f1f2ddc43b8

  20. #40
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    Default Re: Request for photos: Foundationless Frame

    here's a few of mine. (One is the background for my desktop). I use mine intermixed with plastic foundation.

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