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  1. #1
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    Default Ants and my hives

    I have three new hives and ants keep trying to invade. I've had problems with carpenter ants, fire ants, and big black ants.

    How do you keep these out of the hive?

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Some of the ways i've read is to put the bee's on a stand and the legs in coffee cans, and fill the cans with some type of oil to keep ants from climbing up legs. Making a moat.

    Another one is to just use a lubricant on the legs of stand so ants get stuck trying to climb up. Both these require to re apply it after a heavy rain though.

    I've heard certain plants/smells deter them as well, but have not researched that much.
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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I use DE around the hives and sprinkle cinnamin on the inner cover!

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    What is DE?

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    D.E. = diacamus earth
    It is used in swimming pool applications for filtering.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I keep ant poison out not alot but i keep it sprinkeled around and under my hive.Be careful spilling sugar water that draws ants too.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    DE = Diatomaceous Earth.

    But, not all Diatomaceous Earth is created, or treated, equally. Actually, the DE grade used for swimming pool filtration is not recommended for insect control. You can read about it here:

    http://www.ghorganics.com/DiatomaceousEarth.html
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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Hey! I'm not too far from you and had the same problem. After looking at all the possible ways to fend them off I found a cheap solution.
    I bought some grease at Wally World in the auto section...get the cheapest tube they have for grease guns. I think it was under $3.
    Smear the grease on your hive stand legs about 3 or 4 inches off the ground and make the swipe about 3 or 4 inches wide. Put it on liberally.
    Try to get the grease that is waterproof or highly water resistant.
    I have had it on for a couple of weeks now through the bad storms and it is working great so far! I still have half the tube to reapply when needed.
    No ants so far!! They won't try to cross it and if they do they are stuck!
    Good luck!

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Got the same problem here and I'm not far from Davel. Before I even read this today I took some Vasoline out side and rubbed it all over the paving stones that my hive is sitting on.

    I have 6 paving stones in a 2X3 arrangement with the hive sitting length-wise. On top of the paving stones I have 2 cinder blocks on which the hive sits. We ran out of Vasoline and thought about using a paint brush to coat the paving stones with some used motor oil (read that in another thread). It seems to me that Davel has a good idea.

    In the other thread it was suggested digging a moat and pouring in used motor oil. This obviously has some environmental effects. What if the motor oil was just "painted" onto the stones? Does anyone think that would work?

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I have a bad problem with the small "sugar ants". They are devastating the hives I made up from cutouts, presumably due to all the honey dripping in there and the fact that the colonies are weakened.

    I tried vaseline. Works for about 10 minutes then melts and forms a crust that the ants just cross over on. That is in the 100 degree Alabama sun. I will try the grease idea.

    I tried the motor oil moat. That did stop the ants. However, it became a killer for the bees. For some reason, the bees are attracted to it and the results ain't pretty.

    I will try the cinnamon idea next. Hope that works.

    -james (currently in AL)

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I got Tanglefoot at our local ACE Hardware store. I also use cinnamon around the hive stand.
    It works pretty well so far. Of course I find here and there an ant because some plants have grown
    and now start touching the hive stand and the ants get around the Tanglefoot. Keeping the plants
    low solves that problem.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    The problem I've had with the grease/vasoline on the stand legs is that after enough ants get stuck and die, the others use their bodies as a bridge and walk on in. Cinnamon on the inner cover has worked for me here in Ohio on the black ants, but I dont lknow about fire ants, because we dont have them.

    Which is one reason I live in Ohio.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I puffed the cinnamon liberally all over the concrete blocks that hold up the wooden bars for the hives. Took care of the tiny sugar ants overnight.
    Klamath Basin Beekeepers Association: www.klamathbeekeepers.org
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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    These work great for me, no more problem. https://picasaweb.google.com/Michael...72462012353570
    2" outer pipe, 1" inner pipe, CA glued to acrylic base, used motor oil or vegetable oil in moat, CD on top to keep bees out. We have small Argentine ants.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Love the image and design idea. Really simple, and cheap too. I printed out the image and will be making those. I have tons of pipe glue hanging around for the inground sprinkler system, which seems to have the need for repair jobs on a regular basis. The occasional pipe crack on a 15 year old system is the norm for us. CDs are pilling up too with either free software bundles coming with computers or simply outdated stuff on them. Right now I have pressure treated beam on concrete blocks. Perfect for those to go underneath the beams. Thanks for posting the image and your description of how to make them.
    Klamath Basin Beekeepers Association: www.klamathbeekeepers.org
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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    I soak the ground around and under the hive with this stuff...http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

    I'm new at this so let the whippings begin.
    It does work very well and I have every ant known to man on my property, lots of fire ants!

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    OK, I don't know if I am in trouble. I had ants. I used cinnamon to confuse them, that seemed to work for awhile, and I dumped compost tea all around the hive, it kills fire ants fairly well, doesn't hurt the bees. Hasn't totally eliminated the ants, I saw a couple of individual sugar ants, 2 species, on the outside of the hive box.

    I have mega - heat, the bees opened up a vent between my supers right around the time of the ant incursion. I can tell when the bees are upset, they don't seem to be at the moment.

    I love the design on the bee moat, may add it very soon.

    But right now I am afraid to open my hive, no bees guarding the front porch this afternoon at midday. Granted I see them all over the garden and at the ponds. A few ants on the outside of the hive.
    But on the front porch, it's not very clean, maybe the bees are inside pushing debris there right now? I see about 1/8 to 1/4 inch gold hard globs, and smaller black bits that are probably insect waste. Only one dead bee on the porch. I'll go back out this evening when they are due to return to the hive.

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Quote Originally Posted by Mbeck View Post
    I soak the ground around and under the hive with this stuff...http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

    I'm new at this so let the whippings begin.
    It does work very well and I have every ant known to man on my property, lots of fire ants!
    Guard Star also contains 40% Permethrin which is considered one of the best pesticides if you want to kill honeybees. Pollen and nectar laden bees returning that miss the landing board and end up in the grass. I wouldn't be willing to take a chance. Whipping #1... 29 lashes left to go!

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    From what I understand, Gard Star is also used as one of the best ground treatments for Small Hive Beetles. Just don't be spraying on the hive...ground treatment only with a coarse spray (no mist). It would probably be good to apply it late in the evening so it won't be long before the bees will be going in for the night.

    Ed

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    Default Re: Ants and my hives

    Since I am a hobby beek I use a single pipe stand with a angle iron frame built on it to hold my hives. Keeps them high enough not to have to bend over. I also have/had five different kinds of ant assualting my hives so I put a grease band about four inches wide on each post. It shut down the ants. I had sugar ants, red ants, fire ants, black ants and carpenter ants especially at night. No problems now and the hive shields the pipe from the weather.

    psisk

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