With all said, I still would have the feeling "Big Brother" is watching you.
With all said, I still would have the feeling "Big Brother" is watching you.
“Big Brother” IS watching, but Hive Tracks has nothing to do with that. We will search the Hive Tracks database for trends, best practices and problems that affect beekeepers but nothing about your yard locations, your contact information or drinking habits will be disclosed unless you want that information disclosed. Take a look at the “About” tab on the home page of Hive Tracks. That’s us… 2 guys at the local farmers market trying to make a living…. Do we look like “Big Brother” to you?
Founder of Hive Tracks
Mark, I am just starting out and I am enjoying using Hive Tracks. I use a similar cloud based service for inventory control of another hobby. Recently, I was informed that they will be shutting it down after this year, which gives me time to find another. I was never too worried because they offer the ability to download a spreadsheet of the inventory as often as I would like. Is this something that can be done now, or possibly could be added in the future? It might satisfy some people who are a little reluctant to totally hand over control to someone else.
Yes, we should just go ahead and do this now. We have some reports that are similar but do not contain EVERYTHING related to a given user. Its a lot of work to fit a structured, relational database into a flat spreasheet but I will see what I can do. Thanks for the positive feedback!
Founder of Hive Tracks
I rise in defense of the gentleman from Hive Tracks, not because I use his product, which I don't (and that's no commentary on the product either, I just don't have many hives), but because:
a), I think he's right in terms of his software approach and comments (yes, software IS going to an internet-enabled, cloud-computing model as opposed to a stand-alone model, whether you like it or not; quite honetly much of software you use ALREADY has gone there whether you realize it or not); and
b), I applaud the fact that SOMEBODY is actually trying to do something in the 21st century with regards to bees and beekeeping. Think about it - hive designs, smokers, clothing - all of it designed/developed in the 19th century. Queen genetics/breeding - 19th to 20th century. Other parts of agriculture have embraced precision agriculture, remote sensing, GPS, computer-controlled/guided tractors/combines, yield mapping, RFIDs, etc....and then..... there's beekeeping with a smoker and a hive tool......
I just set up my hive tracks and really like it so far. As far as "big brother" is concerned the 2nd amendment protects me from him, and until that changes I'm not going to worry. I guess we could always thow a jar of AHB at them. I would like a stand alone version for Windows Vista and would gladly pay for it, just because I do not have internet service at my house. The service I get is thru a wireless card and not much signal. I live in a valley and cell service is hit or miss sometimes. I really like the product and as someone said would like to see more hive components or at least a way to create your own. I do not use telescoping covers, I was introduced to a plain plywood cover with a ledge with for holes drilled in it for ventalation. Keep upi the good work I like the product...
If you write software on MFC only for Windows users, you cut out a chunk of your market from the start, and of course, your aforementioned headaches with Windows versions and updating.
Java or PHP code with SQL backend will run on any platform, including my Linux box.
You have no Idea of who I am or what resources I have at my disposal.. In fact I probably spend 10 times the amount of money you do on dedicated servers and backup servers every month. I can take care of my data very well, thank you...
This is the last I will say on the subject.... I gave you my real concerns, suggested a solution and offered you money,... All I received in return was a sarcastic response...
I will hire my own programmer for this task.... Good Day.
Cloud based computing has its place, but not for everything. This would be a example something its not meant for. The cloud is not perfect as well. Just ask Steam program that you download games about the problems it had.
You talk future but refer to Excel and Word? come on now..:P
No reason (besides know-how) to not make this a standalone program. The upgrade path is not hard like you mentioned, MANY programs that ran on win98 still run on win7 fine. Many people who live in rural areas simply can't get reliable internet connections no matter how you cut it still. In fact, making it a stand alone program has more benefits you may realize. People with internet caps, satellite internet is TERRIBLE for real-time data, people without internet all the time (hives are in the field for lots with no wifi around).
Simply to say the cloud is the future is not a excuse to make a standalone program. :P
Ok, being a computer geek, I have to say that I love the Hive Tracks site. I think the interface needs some work, as it isn't as intuitive as I would like, but being a developer, I know things like that come with time as well as trial and error. So I imagine I will see changes in the future!
I am very much looking forward to both the Android and iPhone apps (or an iPad app, as that is what I have), as it would make it really convenient to be able to take my iPad out to the bee yard for quick inspections.
I did notice the other day that, using my iPad for inputting inspection data, that the time options were not responsive. Mark, any ideas for me there?
I really look forward to seeing the site evolve. I understand that a lot of people would prefer a stand alone version, but I also know what the costs involved can be, and I imagine that if the Hive Tracks site grows enough, it might be a possibility in the future. I am happy that this is something that is free, and I know what kind of Cash output such a site would cost the developer, so thanks Mark...
I am right with Monkadelic!!!!
Like all things, not everything is for everybody and I can't say that cloud based software is my favorite, but I just signed up and I like it. Thanks.
I also see where further development and expansion are needed, so I will be looking forward to those also. And that is one advantage of cloud base, one thing that makes me crazy is continual updates, I mean I already use windows, and that is enough updating for anyone.
And one argument no one can make, the price is sure right, which is really appreciated in this economy. Kudos
I just signed up for hivetracks and started setting everything up. I appreciate the time and effort you put into this. I am looking forward to using it this year. Thanks again for the post, I had not heard of it before today.
Just wanted to say thanks for the system you've put together. I've been using a combination of printed record cards and Excel spreadsheets, and this is much easier. I have a netbook that I take with me when I tend my apiaries and now I can enter data directly rather than filling out note cards then transcribing those notes to Excel when I get back to the office.
At this point the only thing I would ask for is the addition of nucs to the hive components list. I perform cut-outs an swarm removal, and a lot of the colonies that I rescue start out in nucs so it would be nice to track them all.
All in all your system is well thought out and easy to use. Thanks!! I'll be sending a donation and I strongly encourage anyone who likes the application to do so as well - I've always believed that we get what we pay for.
What do you guys worry about. That you are perhaps using an unauthorized method for controlling beetles? Hive track does not track down what chemicals you use unless you put that information in. You can just put in that hive was treated, and leave out with what. I do not think you give to much away. At this point is does not even have enough beekeepers recording information to make it interesting to big government. Just create an account and see how many beeks in your area are on it. The nice part is you can make your bee yards public or not. So no worry that someone stakes out your yard and steals it.
Talking about big brother/government. Have you checked your cookies on your computer lately? You are being more tracked down browsing online then you can think off.
One thing I do not like is the hive builder. It takes to long. You have to select and item and wait until it reloads the selection before adding or taking it out. I wish it would be faster. The rest is great.
I just did a big inspection of several hives. Printed out blank inspection sheets, put them onto a clip board, filled them out at the spot, and took them back in. By then the sheets where dirty from handling hives with honey etc. I entered them into the system and dumped the dirty sheets. At that time you can also print out a nice clean report to put into a folder, if you like to have a hard copy. Beats the simple spread sheet on the computer. Oh did I mention that you can add digital images of the individual hives and add them to hive track? Love it!
Last edited by Katharina; 09-28-2011 at 10:26 AM.
Wow, some people really need to take a major chill-pill. Here a great guy has dedicated tons of time to create something useful, and the he offers it for FREE and yet people still want to jump up and come up with what they see as problems, or get on his case for making it the way he did. Remember it is FREE! I am not yet a user of the service but it looks really good to me. I will try it and if for some reason i don't like it no big deal i'll stop using it. If he was charging a bunch of money then i may be disappointed if it didn't have all the possible variations and features that i specifically want personally. Just as a reference, I have spent $$$$.$$ on the stand alone Adobe suite and yet there are always things you wish were a bit different and then pretty soon they come out with a new version and want to you spend $$$.$$ on the update. Really this guy is offering a free service... Just say Thank You for making an effort to provide a new service to the bee keeping community.
Thank you for your SERVICE and EFFORT.
Keep a spreadsheet or download a backup - I use everything online now, no worse than you hdd crashing or files corrupting,
If you want a program for your computer. Write it. Hive Tracks wanted one for use on the net. so that is what they wrote. So get mad at them for not doing what you are unwilling to do.
All work and no play makes a happy bee.
Woooo hooooo! Hive Tracks for iPhone!!! Woooooo hoooooo!!!!
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