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    Default Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Before I started advertsing my honey for sale, I need to know what my honey is classified as. My honey will be from native wildflowers, unheated, and strained through one of those strainer buckets from Dadants.

    Can someone kindly help me with my catagory and tell me what the differences are? I see many different kinds of answers.

    Is it raw or pure?
    And is it filtered or strained?

    Should my label say "Pure & Natural" or Raw"? Thanks guys.

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Go with raw and unfiltered. Pure is a bit of a misnomer. Honey is not pure anything. There are so many different things in there it would take an hour to list all the ones we know of [hyperbole].

    Raw generally means unheated, not pasteurized, still active enzymes and whatnot in the honey.

    Unfiltered generally means it hasn't been forced through a very fine filter. A strainer is okay. The honey will still have tiny particles of pollen, wax, and propolis in it. I'm not sure which strainer you have, the net or the nested strainers. The nested ones go down to 200 microns. Still plenty big to include the above.
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Thanks for clearing that up, I think I got it now.
    As for the filter, I was gonna use a 600 Micron Coarse Filter. Do you think that's too fine? What do people want more, filtered or unfiltered?
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    If it's not heated it's "Raw"

    Yours is strained, not filtered. Filtering requires heating.

    200 micron filtration will most likely require warming/heating the honey. 400 micron works fine. Put the 400 under the 600 micron strained.

    If imported honey is labeled "Pure" I would feel free to say the same...
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    unless something has been added it is pure honey.

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Pure Honey is nothing but honey.

    How much honey are you planning on bottling? How many hives do you have?
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    I have one hive at the moment, maybe another in summer. But I am expecting/aiming to get about 90 lbs.
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    You will have a hard time getting it through the smallest screen without heating it.

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Are you going to eat it yourself, give it away or sell it?
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    You will have a hard time getting it through the smallest screen without heating it.
    lol yeah I was affraid of that. Any tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Are you going to eat it yourself, give it away or sell it?
    I will try not to eat most of it. I do plan on selling it though. I already spoken with officials on the laws. I'm all set.

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    I think my metal triple screen goes down to 200 micron also. The honey goes through it just fine without heating.

    Not fast but at 15.5% moisture its still fast enough. Once it gets plugged with the really fine wax particles it becomes a problem.
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    the Subaru crowd around here likes it strained as little as possible so I use one of those stainless steel soup strainers that you get at restaurant supply places. I have three and just pull them off when they clog and slip a clean one in its place, you can still see some little floaties in the honey, but they keep calling me back for more...
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Quote Originally Posted by HONEYDEW View Post
    the Subaru crowd .
    THE SUBARU CROWD??? I resemble That!!! A Subaru Baja is the best bee truck around. It fits 25 empty supers and will go anywhere.


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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    if you are getting 90 lbs from one hive -- can i put my hives in your yard???

    if this is your first year - you will get to taste honey - the bees will have most likey use all of the honey to build wax and just survive - if you leave then enough to over winter or feed them heavy in the fall then next year you should see some honey

    but if you keep track of every dollar you spend before you sell your first jar - you will need to sell that first jar for about $400 in order to make $1 profit

    but trust me - learn the first year - sell honey the 3rd year !!!!!
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Hey Bugboy,
    Its not impossible to get that much honey and still have enough stores for winter. I'm in northern Wisc and last year averaged 81# per hive from 16 packages started mid April and still went into winter with 2 deeps full of stores. Just depends what kind of forage you have and how strong your colonies are.
    Don't be fooled by others from different parts of the country. The upper midwest is a great place to make a good honey crop. Who knows, you may have good luck and sell 50#. Thats about 1 super, No problem

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Most peopel who keep bees are tinkers or become one. Now, honey in the hive chances are has seen at least 95 degrees for a prolonged amount of time and if that temp would hurt it, bees would be long extinct. Take a fridge or freezer and put a thermostatically regulated to under a hundred degrees. Put your bucket with the bottom honey gate or larger gated container in the fridge or cardboard box and let it sit till its ambient temperature has reached your thermostatically controlled temperature. After a day at that temp, it's clarity will be wonderful. All bee lips, ears, wax and wood splinters will have gone to the top and you will decant in your containers Gods greatest gift save one! It will crystalize at whatever rate the flower sources contained sugar, but it will be pure raw honey by anyones realistic standards. You should warm your supers the same way for maximum quantity removed and less wear and tear on the combs. Just make a tent with plastic in the garage and attach a space heater to your thermostat and put your supers in the tent. As you get a bigger operation, every beekeeper needs a hot room that accomplishes the same thing.

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigeddie View Post
    Hey Bugboy,
    Who knows, you may have good luck and sell 50#. Thats about 1 super, No problem
    Thanks for clearing that up, I guess underestimated it. Well then I guess I'll aim for that 50 lbs. lol. I'm not worried about forage, though, plenty of that here in the countryside. My hives will be located on a huge garden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vance G View Post
    Take a fridge or freezer and put a thermostatically regulated to under a hundred degrees. Put your bucket with the bottom honey gate or larger gated container in the fridge or cardboard box and let it sit till its ambient temperature has reached your thermostatically controlled temperature. After a day at that temp, it's clarity will be wonderful. All bee lips, ears, wax and wood splinters will have gone to the top and you will decant in your containers
    And hey awesome tip. I will consider that! I heard extracting honey soon after harvesting it is best because it's still warm. Is it true?

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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    THE SUBARU CROWD??? I resemble That!!! A Subaru Baja is the best bee truck around. It fits 25 empty supers and will go anywhere.
    odfrank that is far to nice a rig for our crowd around here
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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    Quote Originally Posted by HONEYDEW View Post
    odfrank that is far to nice a rig for our crowd around here


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    Default Re: Ok lets clear this up: Raw vs. Pure - Filtered vs. Strained.

    How many full supers will that hold, probably not the same.....
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