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    Default homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    pretty good location, to place hives, next to lots of palmetto, and just a few fruit trees.
    They said the last beekeeper had about 20 hives and moved out.

    Thier reasoning, is that is about 25% average honey yield per hive.
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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    They are too greedy. No wonder the last beekeeper moved out.

    BTW their fruit trees will be of little benefit to your bees. Your bees though will be of great benefit to their fruit trees.

    And also, based on your figures and a little maths, the last beekeeper got 48 lb's honey per hive per year? That's pretty dismal, it might be a poor location.

    My suggestion - I'm not sure if the fruit trees etc are on the same property. But are there crops in the area that will need bee pollinating? If so, the owners will want to ensure their profits and probably fall over themselves to have some bees on their property. Do what i did when I was a commercial beekeeper, just track the property owner down, knock on their door and offer to put some bees on the property. You will likely be well recieved, especially if their crop is how they make their living.

    Leave the other greedy guy out in the cold. What he wants is way off the chart.

    What did I pay in rent to put hives somewhere? Nothing. If it was a type of place that got little benefit from our bees we would drop in a jar of honey once a year as a courtesy, there might be 50 hives there. But most properties get some benefit from the bees, just make sure the owner understands that.
    Last edited by Oldtimer; 03-06-2011 at 01:54 AM.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    I wouldnt do it, all its worth is a hand shake and a bottle of honey at harvest time! If there is already demands now i would hate to see how it would be later on!

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Quote Originally Posted by honeybeekeeper View Post
    I wouldnt do it, all its worth is a hand shake and a bottle of honey at harvest time! If there is already demands now i would hate to see how it would be later on!
    I second this vote!

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Tell them standard yard rent rates are X. If that's not enuf, their neighbor down the road will take you on. Might work.

    Is this in a citrus grove? If yes, no honey need be given because they are already benefiting from your bees being there.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    And what happens the year you don't get much of a honey crop (due to weather, disease, whatever)? I have 15 hives, but not all produce surplus honey each year. At his rates - I would owe 180lbs of honey/year. In the past, during drought years, I haven't even broken 200lbs total - so, I would have been investing all the time and money and then he would get all the honey?

    Think also how this will affect your management decisions: you owe X amount of honey to this guy, but it has been a poor year. Now, instead of making sure that your bees have plenty of surplus for the winter/dearth - you are thinking about taking much more because you need to keep this landowner happy.

    Thanks but no thanks.

    Also, do you want to do splits, make queens or raise nucs on his place? Is he going to count all of those 'non-honey making' activities in the total owed?

    Better yet - suggest that the landowner PAY YOU - say, $125/hive for pollinating the fruit trees during the months of bloom!

    After all, beekeepers don't give the almond growers in CA or the apple farmers in WA a pound of honey/hive/month - those beekeepers get PAID!
    Last edited by NDnewbeek; 03-06-2011 at 05:36 AM.

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    If it is close to were you live it might be worth it in time travel, but I know you can find other sites for free, if that amount is 25% of the year total, they are asking too much! offer them one quart at the end of the year and be prepared to walk away, and that is not a good site in quantity of honey, you can do better
    Bob

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    My thoughts also as to why the other beek moved out!!!
    Ok so 20# a month for 20 hives & the land owner is selling this honey for let's say even at $5.00 per pound. Me thinks that workies out to around $1200 for this great location for this person. That price is right up there with what the crazies are renting farm ground for here in Nebr. He has to have a neighbor I would think.

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Only if he agrees to pay part of the feed costs on the months that they didnt produce. I had a landowner ask me a number of years ago to put bees on his property, after chatting a bit he mentioned that he kicked the last guy off because he counted 40 hives after he had only "spoken for" 30 hives. Wow, couldn't get away from there fast enough.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Either a lb of honey per hive per year OR a lb of honey per month total doesn't sound too unreasonable to me, but a lb of honey per hive PER month is outrageous.

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    TOo much. We are more in the area of 5 to 6, 3 lb jars per year a commercial location.

    Roland

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    sounds like the land owner has never worked with bees before. I had a guy say he would split the honey with me if I'd put bees in his orchard, he didn't understand why I laughed. Then I told him that I'd typically charge $80 per hive per season to place my hives in an orchard. The honey just pays to get the bees through the winter. Maybe a jar of honey per hive, per season would be reasonable if they agreed to help set the hives out and then help harvest...

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    As revealed, most people are completely ignorant about how bees work, and the vagaries of keeping bees. You'll find a better place.
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    Steven
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Pass on it........

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    When I was looking for places to put hives I had one person who had taken over a small (20 acre) organic farm, they turned it all over to cows and sheep and then asked me how much I would pay them in rent ! I told them I did not pay anything and thanks but no thanks.
    I have three other small outyards and they are more than happy just to have them on the property, I do make sure they are well taken care of once the harvest is in. But no way would I agree in advance to that much, my usual answer is something along the lines of "If we get a harvest, you will get some great tasting honey" I never quote an amount and so far have had n complaints. On average I hand out between 5 - 10 LBs to each land owner

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    I wouldn't even call the guy back. I have people lined up waiting for my bees to be placed on their properties. Right up front I tell them I pay rent of a lb of honey per hive per season. Some even say they don't want the honey but I insist and suggest they give it away to friends and family. I am expanding every year and finding yards is the least of my problems.
    Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. John Wayne

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Good to know the mob has infiltrated the bee business in your area. Keep them in your neck of the woods as I really don't need offers like that here. Usually those " Have I got a deal to good for you to pass up" revelations turn out to be the opposite. Keep us posted. Bet these folks want additional rent some time later down the line. Ever been married to someone who wanted everything and gave nothing. Sign up for this yard and you will be married to them and it wont be a honeymoon.

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    like everyone else says, i would pass as well. i really do not have enough money to purchase to supplies to install hives on everyones place who has been interested. word of mouth is great!! ask around the area for better locations. keep in mind, bees travel up to 2 miles. maybe there is a better location in the area, if so, the bees may still hit that guys property and he would never know!

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    Reminds me a bit of folks who phone and say "I've got a beehive in my tree, 60 feet up. If you remove them for me, you can have the bees, long as I get the honey"

    Yeah right!
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: homeowner wants 1 pound honey per month, per hive. - fair or unreasonable?

    A gallon of honey a year, given right before Christmas, is the traditional yard rent in the Southeastern USA. I would go next door to another landowner and set up a yard and forget the greedy person. TK

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