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    Default Olivarez bees

    I'm about to purchase 10 Italian packages from these guy and I need some advise about my decision. I live in southeast MI so we have long winters. Im doing some small scale honey production, I'd like some opinions on using Italians up north and there overwintering ability. I can adjust my order for carni's if there better suited for my neck of the woods. Also been thinking about getting at lest 1 package of minn hygenic to breed some queens maybe mid summer to replace the Italians. Am I making this to hard or could this be a good plan going into winter.

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    Carni's are supposed to be more frugal during the winter. I've kept Italians for the last few years, but am going to try some carni stock this year.
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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    We have a large, local beekeeper in SE Missouri that orders several hundred queens from Olivarez every year. He thinks they make great honey producers and over-winter here just fine.

    Grant
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    Each one has their trade offs. Italians, as stated, are not frugal on their stores. Carnis can build up very quickly once the weather turns. We get some false springs here in the PNW. It can go from 50s and 60s one week to 30s and snow the next. In those cases, you end up feeding carnis an awful lot.

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    at our recent bee meeting one of the main speakers said to basically plan on requeening all your packages with another high quality queen as there has been trouble with package bees. another guy last year said to try and get local nucs in spring - people were reporting problems with packages to him in 2009

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    I bought a package of their NWC last year to try them out. Made 3 nucs with them, & they produced 100# of honey. All 4 made it through winter, & are building up like gangbusters.

    I intend to make a few more queens from her.
    Dan

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    I bought 10 packages of Italians from Olivarez in spring 2010, not a one of them is alive today, all were dead outs by the time December rolled in. I think the commercial Italian stock is weak nowadays, they can't make the northern winters, especially this one here in Michigan. Another thing Italians do that hurts their chances of surviving a Michigan winter is raising brood all the way into late November, using up their winter stores to raise more and more brood. When you do a late fall inspection they appear to have enough honey to make the winter, but what you don't know until it is too late is that they use up most of their honey raising more brood for another month or so after what was supposed to be your last inspection of the season. I think I would try Carni's before I would go with Italians here in Michigan. I had the choice of Italians or Carni's when I picked up my packages last spring also, I think I picked the wrong one. John

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    In the pro's and con's list - I imagine that this list refers to the New World Carniolans because the "real" old world Carniolan strain which some beeks have, behave somewhat differently concerning swarming. They swarm far more often and are much more difficult to control intheir swarming behavior than the NWC. My experiences with the original Carniolans in the early 1970's leads me to add this. If your getting Carniolans, it would be wise to specify NWC with breeders. OMTCW

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    Default Re: Olivarez bees

    My best luck so far in wintering is Russians x VSH.

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