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    Default skid steer help

    Well I finally got a truck and now I begin my search for a forklift/skid steer. I have a couple questions.
    First- Do they make the 5th wheels only for bobcat or for other brands as well? How about the fork lift masts?

    Second- What kind of lifting capacity/reach do I need and or want?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    What kind of truck and trailer do you have? How many pallets of hives can you get on your truck?
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    i personally have only seen crazy wheels on bobcats. not sayin that they can't be put on other machines, but have never seen it. we have one machine that has a clearview mast from A&O and absolutly hate it. all of the other machines have an Edwards mast that can reach 144 inches. hope you got a decent truck cuz with a diesel bobcat and good trailer you are looking at 7500-8000 lbs behind you
    Greg Stahlman; Stahlman Apiaries Inc.

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    I got an f350 with the 7.3 diesel. It only has an 8 foot flat bed on it but might extend it. I was also hoping to get a long enough trailer to put some hives on the front of the trailer and then load the bobcat. Will have to see how the weight works out. The only time I see having a real big load is when we go to almonds next year.

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    I have been looking at skid steers and am wondering if a smaller skidder would handle four hive pallets if I am not lifting drums of honey. All I have for a truck is an F350 with a 5.8 gas, so I don't want to pull a trailer, lift combo over 5,000lbs.

    Tim Stewart

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    If you look around a 753 can be gotten pretty reasonably... but watch out for the number of hours on it. I doubt it and a trailer would make the 5000 lb limit one of you has. It would have to be a very small bobcat not to be able to handle a pallet with 4 hives.

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    I have a New Holland L125 which weighs under 2000 lbs and regularly move 4 hives at a time with it. These are singles but I often move with a deep super. If the super is full of honey I need to be a little careful. Works well for my needs but won't work for loading a semi.

    Loading a semi with honey is no problem with this skid steer.

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    To me an F-350 w/ an 8 ft bed is too small to be worthwhile. I don't know what you can safely carry and pull w/ that truck. I have a long wheelbase F-450 (14' bed) and pull a trailer w/ a 753 Bobcat on it.

    Twenty pallets of two story colonies on the truck and maybe some equipment on the front end of the trailer and then the Bobcat. That's enuf of a load for me. I figure any hives on the trailer are going to get beat up by the ride, so I keep that to a minimum occurance.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    ive said it before and ill say it again. 610 bobcat late 70s early 80s. lite weight but can handle the weight. pull that behind a 5500 cummins with a 16ft flat bed. only way to go. lol for us anyways. you can get a 610 these days for around 3500 to 4500 bucks depending on shape. we pick up stacks of doubles 4 high off the semi. but if they come out of almonds heavy it wont!! i will say i do like the idea of having more power and a diesel motor but they weigh so much. compare a 3500lb 610 behind your truck to a 7000 lb 763. you will notice it. i have thought a tail wheel on any bobcat even if it doesnt have a mast would be a huge benifit.

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    If you get a skid steer definitely get a bobcat as all the attachments they make fit them.
    I have been trying to find a quick attach forklift frame for my Toyota skid steer and can't find one anywhere in the country!
    I got sick of looking and decided to hire someone to weld one up for me. ( I already own 2 sets of forks).
    I was told by one of the major attachment dealers that pre-1994 all different brands of skidsteer loaders had different measurements on there quick attach set ups, so you were obligated to buy there attachments only!
    Well good luck finding attachments for all these old skid steers!
    He then stated that in 1994 they standardized so that all the modern/fancy/expensive attachments fit them all. As my luck would have it my yota is somewhere in the late 80's model (Broke Beek, need to sell more honey). Also going to put crazy wheel on back of yota, but it will have to be fab'd for it, as the rear doors (weird vents) are all different than a Bobcat.
    My Yota weighs in at around 5,300 lbs. and am planning on towing on 16' trailer behind old 1977 F-350 gas (351M) dually with a 12' flatbed! (poor Beeks outfit)!
    Been looking at all those nice new Dodge Cummins that all those (well to do Beeks drive). If I can start selling more honey, mmmmm looks like I could afford one maybe in the yr. 2020 and it will be a 90's model!
    So I will still have a poor Beeks outfit!
    Go Bobcat so you don't run into the problems that I have been cursed with!

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    I was looking at something like a bobcat 530 w/ a 800lb capacity. I don't know of many pallets in my area that would average 200lbs each, and weigh about 3000lbs, so in combination with a tip trailer could easily weigh less than 5000lbs, making for easy towing, and still capable of doing anything I need it to. There are smaller skidders with only 600lb capacity that weigh about 2100, but i think the slightly larger machine would be less tippy, and easier on the bees

    Tim Stewart

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    Thanks for the replies. Any Idea on the reach of the smaller machines, as I hope to load semis with it.

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    http://www.equipmenttraderonline.com...l-753-97757266
    If its for beekeeping this is a Bobcat that is ready to go.

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    If you are going to load semis, get the bigger/heavier machine. Or you can go w/ a lighter machine w/ the 5th wheel. I've seen David Hackenberg pickup a pallet of deeps of honey 6 to a layer stacked 4 high and set it on a semi w/ a Bobcat smaller and older than mine, but w/ a 5th wheel and a mast.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Mansell View Post
    http://www.equipmenttraderonline.com...l-753-97757266
    If its for beekeeping this is a Bobcat that is ready to go.
    There ya go folks, thats the real deal for less than half the cost of a new Hummer.

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    pretty nice machine and low hours!!! i am fairly sure if you had to buy a new mast and crazy wheel you would have close to $6000 invested from the start. i would be taking that dumb seat bar out of it.
    Greg Stahlman; Stahlman Apiaries Inc.

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    Really Greg? Isn't that dangerous? Would the machine operate w/out it? You'd probably have to do some work on the wiring, I imagine.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: skid steer help

    Quote Originally Posted by gregstahlman View Post
    i would be taking that dumb seat bar out of it.
    You have never speeded down a sloped driveway lifting a full bucket of heavy soil up to dump in a truck, start to tip over, and have your brains strained through that steel mesh at the top of the cage. I have twice, and backed into my own trench with hoe on, tipping the whole rig on it's side. You full time beekeepers have easy bobcating. Try digging complicated trenches and foundations on a building site, with one of those backhoe attachments on the front. You begin to appreciate bars and seat belts. Bobcatter since 1982.

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    i completely understand that a seat bar is necessary for dirt work. i have a T-190 that we use for snow and dirt and i would never operate it without the seat bar. but i am talking about removing it for a machine that is completely set up for just for bee work. not like you are blastin around the bee yard full speed hitting bumps and trenches. and i would like to note that us bee guys have it harder than everyone thinks when it comes to running loaders. not much fun loading semi's when you think about the potential thousands of dollars that a stack of bees is worth. wouldn't be much fun to dump a whole stack over. hopefully it never happens to me
    Greg Stahlman; Stahlman Apiaries Inc.

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    So what is the advantage of doing away w/ the bar? I'm missing something.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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