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    Default For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    Seems Tom Theobald may not have told the whole story eh? about his so called coverup....


    http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/...on-status.html



    2010 Reclassification of Clothianidin Field Study for Pollinators

    Though the registrant satisfied the basic study requirements for
    registration in 2003, we required an additional field study to address
    uncertainties about potential long-term effects of clothianidin on
    honeybees. In 2007, we reviewed this study and determined that it
    satisfied EPA’s field study guidelines. However, the Agency’s assessment
    of the usefulness of this study has changed since the initial 2007
    review, which is not unusual in the scientific field.

    As EPA’s understanding of honeybee biology has improved, staff
    scientists have started to recognize the challenges associated with
    field pollinator study designs. While elaborate field studies can be
    designed, there may be confounding effects that limit the utility of a
    study but may not entirely discredit it.

    It is clear that field pollinator studies cannot be viewed in the same
    context as laboratory studies where experimental conditions can be
    strictly manipulated. Recognizing the complexity of conducting field
    studies, EPA is endeavoring to make the best use of existing data to
    address uncertainties. Although EPA noted deficiencies in the
    clothianidin pollinator field study, including some cross contamination
    between treated and non-treated (control) experimental plots and
    inadequate separation between treated and control portions of the study,
    there was useful information that could be used to qualitatively
    describe hive survival following exposure to clothianidin.

    The reevaluation of the study in question does not change the Agency’s
    conclusion that the registered uses of clothianidin meet the FIFRA
    risk/benefit standard for registration. Clothianidin generally poses
    less risk to agricultural workers and fish and wildlife when compared to
    the insecticide alternatives...

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    Oh you started it now...
    Ninja, is not in the dictionary. Well played Ninja's, well played...

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    Bud,

    How much did Bayer pay you to post that?

    Tom (fellow accused chemical company "sell-out")

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    "Clothianidin generally poses
    less risk to agricultural workers and fish and wildlife when compared to
    the insecticide alternatives..."

    It is intresting that honeybees are not agicultural workers, fish , or wildlife.
    The above statement would still be true, IF it was harmfull to honeybees.

    Roland

    (watching what they do NOT say, as much as what they DO say)

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    The thing I get out of that post is that people staying aware and making sure that they are heard does make a difference. If they have questions of concerns about something that's in use out there, then they can bring a focus to that issue and get answers.


    I am not qualified to comment on the specific issue.

    Bud Dingler, I wonder if you would mind telling us your qualifications to do so - and this is not asked in a disrespectful manner, and you may have already done so in other threads. But it can be helpful for people to get a sense of the person behind the perspectives; particularly since you have been so passionate about your position in this ongoing debate. What experience or education is your position rooted in? (no pun intended).


    Thanks,

    Adam

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    I was accused of being "one of them" who "poisons our food" for questioning the anti Big Ag montra. I find you have to resort to namecalling your argument isn't standing up very well.
    Ninja, is not in the dictionary. Well played Ninja's, well played...

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    It's a statement of findings by the EPA that is written for the John Q. Public. One doesnt necessarily have to be "qualified" to post a link to it or discuss it here.

    In my experience I can tell you that the EPA (especially under the current administration) is in the business of putting business out of business. Thinking that they are paid off by Big Ag is silly.

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    Bud does have participate in the on going bee discussion here, so Id say his comment on the whole issue of pesticides is relevant. He is an actual beekeeper. so I respect his comments in relation to beekeeping

    There are some posters who tend to frequent this site that only have one particular agenda at hand, and thats "anti" - phara, Monsanto, pesticides etc...
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    I'm curious why these new threads and posts were not contributed to part of the original thread? Context can illudiate many statements.

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250404"]http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250404"[/URL]

    Other than a few thousand dollars in equipment and bees, I have no investment in them, other than the time I spend. The only compensation I have received from them (besides enjoyment) is the fact that they do a good job pollenating my 400 sqare foot garden.

    Can the same be said of those who label me as a 'anti-Bayer, conspiracy theorist'? I don't live anywhere near Gustafson, Minnesota, USA, nor does my family, friends, community, town... receive directly or indirectly (other than some consumable products), compensation from the mentioned AG chemical company(ies).

    You said it, not me:
    Quote Originally Posted by TWall View Post
    Bud,

    How much did Bayer pay you to post that?

    Tom (fellow accused chemical company "sell-out")
    This forum is rife with opinions and statements that are often not supported with either fact nor experience, or cannot be responded to with any degree of hope for further discussion - and I am as quilty of this as anyone. More often than not, questions arise regarding techniques or practices for which we are able to respond to based on a number of factors which include: experience, similar location or circumstance, been there/done that...

    How does the following statement promote any sort of discourse?

    "...There are some posters who tend to frequent this site that only have one particular agenda at hand, and thats "anti" - phara, Monsanto, pesticides etc..."

    If you would have only spent a little more time by including the word 'because' at the end of your accusatory statement, followed by some pertinant facts ie a link showing how these companies have increased product production while reducing environmental impacts since the 1950's could have initiated discussion by people on both sides of the fence.

    & I could respond with a link about how the ban on organophosphate pesticides tweaks the AG chemical companies bottom line.

    There was a study done in which a person was erronously labeled a liar and a cheat. This person went to a mock trial and was proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, to be neither - guess what that person was always known as...

    Choose your labels carefully - calling someone '"anti" without any supporting evidence, or recourse for rebuttal indicates complete ignorance of those peoples' intelligence, diversity, commitment and dedication.

    Being involved & getting involved in discussions takes a lot of time - just ask Michael Bush, Michael Palmer and Walt Wright to name just a very few and people choose their battles wisely.

    I don't believe there is a current answer to the issue of the use of pesticides/GM/human interaction on nature as a whole - we will end up being the savior of the planet, or just another (possibly) extinct species.
    EAS Georgia Certified. "Tradition - Even if you have done it the same way for years doesn't mean that it is not stupid."

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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    All I am saying is there are people who are fly by forum posters with only one agenda at hand. And thats to interject one particular agenda at hand. Regardless if they have an interest in the forum "theme" or topic.
    Those posters dont have any intention to involve themselves in a beekeeping related discussion.
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    your thread show invalid
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: For the Bayer Conspiracy folks

    I believe the link was supposed to point to:
    http://beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250404
    The little bee returns with evening's gloom,
    To join her comrades in the braided hive... -Tennyson

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