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    Default Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    What is everyones thougt on this subject?

    I received this from Defenders of wildlife on my facebook today.


    Stop the pesticide that's killing bees.

    www.act.credoaction.com

    Honey bees have been dying at alarming rates in the last few years. Recently leaked evidence shows that the E.P.A. ignored critical information when approving a chemical linked to the bee die-off. Sign the petition telling the E.P.A. to ban clothianidin today...
    see this article on

    http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/.../?rc=fb_share4

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

    Eileen

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    Baby corn. Bees Die from dew, that has been excreted from the leafs..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Nsn...eature=related

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    See Thread already in discussion about this. You will find there a number of opinions about clothiianidin and jumping on the "ban" wagon.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    we enjoy cheap food prices because of chemicals. The US is a major contributor to the world food markets because of chemicals. Therefore, the US is a very lucritive market for the chemical companies. Ban one chemical and the giants like Bayer Crop Science and Monsanto will develop another. When you are talking about profits in the billions of dollars...it ain't ever going to go away.

    I don't like the idea of poisoning our planet any more than the other folks on this forum. But until chemical use becomes unprofitable, it ain't going away. Trying to regulate chemical giants like Monsanto who have an army of well funded lobbyists in DC is like.....well down here in TX we have a saying......"like tryin to piss up a rope in a windstorm."

    Maybe we should be trying to figure out how to get rid of lobbyists first.
    "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"...well that horse ain't got nothing on a bee.

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    Including lobbyist beekeepers?
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    Quote Originally Posted by ACBEES View Post
    We enjoy cheap food prices because of chemicals.
    The price only seems cheap because the true cost of the consequences of the chemicals are unknown or ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by ACBEES View Post
    But until chemical use becomes unprofitable, it ain't going away.
    When chemical companies and users are held financial responsible for the affects of their chemicals through the entire life cycle the profits shrink rather quickly!

    THE BEEKEEPING LOBBYIST

    Last edited by greengecko; 01-20-2011 at 08:04 AM.

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    All true greengecko....but so far nobody has been able to make the problem go away or even put a dent in it....because of the huge anmounts of profits involved.

    Chemical company lobbyists throw huge sums of money at the politicians who in turn use their power/influence to protect the chemical companies. A fine here and a fine there....a chemical banned here and a chemical banned there is just window dressing. We are talking about a multi-billion dollar industry supporting a food production system with worldwide political influence.

    Look at the hit the cigarette companies have taken...it hasn't made a dent in their multi-billion dollar industry. They keep chuggin along.
    "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"...well that horse ain't got nothing on a bee.

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    Default Re: Defenders of Wildlife sent email to ban clothianidin

    Quote Originally Posted by greengecko View Post
    The price only seems cheap because the true cost of the consequences of the chemicals are unknown or ignored.
    No, the chemicals are used and the price is cheap because people won't pay $15 for a box of cereal - no matter how 'pure' its production has been.



    Quote Originally Posted by greengecko View Post
    When chemical companies and users are held financial responsible for the affects of their chemicals through the entire life cycle the profits shrink rather quickly!
    Again, no - they will just pass the costs of those financial losses on to consumers through price increases OR stop providing the service all together.

    Making doing business more expensive doesn't change the way business is done, it just raises consumer prices or makes (now) expensive products unavailable.

    As an example only and not to start a holy war, many insurance companies have now stopped offering health insurance for children with pre-existing conditions because the new law has made that type of insurance more expensive. Insurers weren't incentivized to offer 'affordable' health insurance to that market - they were just incentivized to not absorb the new costs.

    The tobacco lawsuits were another great example. The tobacco companies were fined millions upon millions of dollars. A few months after the suits were settled, they just raised the prices of their products. The only people 'hurt' by the government action were smokers and tobacco users - and they continue to be hurt by it. As ACBEES pointed out - the cigarette companies are still in business, and probably making more money than ever now - thanks to the governments involvement.
    Last edited by NDnewbeek; 01-20-2011 at 09:35 AM.

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