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    Default Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    I am thinking of putting together a few swam traps. I have read that you want a volume of 30 to 40 liters. with a 15cm opening at the bottom. I use mediums and was thinking of using a 8 frame medium size box that is placed on its side. (long ways) bottom facing the tree. The frames would go in up and down.

    I figure that this way I can take the trap down the bees will alread be of the right size frames.

    My question is will the bee have a problem with the frames going up and down?

    Seem like a good idea? Any input from seasoned beekeepers would be appreciated

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    I can only offer my theoretical knowledge.
    I assume that you plan to turn the frames in the normal orientation
    after you have caught a swarm and the bee have settled.

    I would not do that because it seems that the orientation of the frames is
    important. If you watch the video clips of doing a cut-out, the comb is
    always placed in the same orientation as it was build by the bees.

    I also plan to put out a few bait hives using medium frames. I just use two
    medium nucs (5 frames per boxs), which I stack.
    The lower one has the entry hole (1 1/4 " diameter).

    Cheers
    Stefan

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    I have used mediums with a thin piece of plywood for the top and bottom. A 1 1/4" hole drilled in the top for an entrance.

    If you used drawn frames the slope of the cells would be wrong. Vertically the frames would rest on the bottom side and lean off of the rabbit.

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    I had wondered about orientation of the frames. I did not realize that the cells had a slant to them. I am glad that I ask before started to build.

    Next Q, a box 7.5W 13H and 18.5W is about 30 liters. That is the size of two nucs. Could you fill the top with 5 frames and leave the bottom empty? The swarm should start working the old cone before making bur cone.They would be removed before they get to that point.

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    "That is the size of two nucs. Could you fill the top with 5 frames and leave the bottom empty?"

    Yeah, you could but then Murphy ( of Murphy's law ) would lend you a hand and give you a 7 lb swarm. In 3 days the whole thing would be solid comb. In 10 days it would be full of brood.

    But, what the heck..... Cutouts are fun.

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    If you are going to frames in the trap then frames is all of the trap.

    Fuzzy has it right. I had a swarm draw out 10 deep frames that had new foudation in them in 4 days. The second deep was drawn in 6 days later.

    I still have dreams about that swarm.

    Consider getting some Certain(under different names now from Canada I beleive) and putting in 1 frame of drawn comb. then put foundation in the other frames. Spray all of them with Certain before putting them out.
    Then when the swarm gets there they go to town!

    You can do a search for Certain on this forum.
    Old Guy in Alabama

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    Thanks for the input. I was thinking that they would be easier to build if i could make them one piece and load the frames at the top. But I see your points and would hate to catch a swarm only to find that I have a trap full of burr comb.

    I will go with two pieces and fill both with frames.

    Any other advice for a first time trap builder would be appreciated.

    Thanks again
    Merlin

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrbbees View Post
    Consider getting some Certain(under different names now from Canada I beleive) and putting in 1 frame of drawn comb. then put foundation in the other frames. Spray all of them with Certain before putting them out.
    Then when the swarm gets there they go to town!

    You can do a search for Certain on this forum.
    Thank you for the info, A search for Certain did not get any results on the forum or with google. Anyone know what it may be called now?

    Thanks
    Merlin

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    Default Re: Swarm trap design, Turning it on its side?

    I fill both nucs with medium frames. I hope this will work.
    I will see that in a few months.

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