Re: Hybrid Vigor vs. Natural Vigor
I have read some very confused information written by some who doesn't understand the mating process and the laying procedure of the Queen. Then there are some that seem to understand and have not commented back. Some have stated situations that could only be done with genetic manipulation, and could never be accomplished with just breeding.
I completely understand the hybrid vigor concept in animals as I bred seedstock cattle for many years. As has been stated previously it does work but only for the current generation and is not passed on into the next. let me throw a little tid bit for humor in here that is really true. In the cattle business, and I assume most other animals. It is if it works it is line breeding, and if if comes out bad it is inbreeding. With the best of my limited knowledge I believe that when you have differing genetics that can mate and produce offspring, then the offspring will be sterile and unable to reproduce. My example being The mule which is 1/2 horse and 1/2 ass or donkey. I would imagine if the honeybee crossed with a bumblebee then the same could happen. The horse and donkey are both equine but genetically far apart. This is in my opinion what the term hybrid is best understood as. But hybrid can be applied to any crossing of genetics, and their offspring.
With bees the queen is mated to many drones. So if the mating is not COMPLETELY controlled you can't predict with any certainty what the offsprings charateristics will be. The only way to be 100% sure is with II or AI in my world, and only then after the drones have been dna tested. Can anyone tell me how to COMPLETELY control the drone fathers and their mating with a queen?
When you speak of hybrid Russians, for example, you are merely talking about a pure Russian queen that is open mated, thereby creating a hybrid offspring of 1/2 Russian and 1/2 whatever sperm she uses on that particular egg. BUT, if the sperm she uses should be from a pure Russian drone is that offspring a hybrid? In my opinion no.
The mutts that we speak of are generations of crossing genetics, and that is only good if the mutts we are keeping have developed good traits thru generations of naturally crossbreeding, and sometimes I'm sure, line breeding.
So this is one reason that I decided to go to the pure Russian genetics that I now have their traits are/should be more across the board predictable. As are the strains that people like Russell Apiaries, and BWeaver, just to name a couple for examples, have produced by either genetic manipulation or years of breeding for the best.
I hope that I have thourghly confused some of you'll as I think I am confused myself.
I hope Mr. Robert Russell will chime in here,hopefully he has since I started my post.
So much to learn, so little time!!