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    Default CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    Hi all, I am a 52 year old beekeeper with 25+ years experence. I am having some health issues. My doctors are having not much luck identifying the cause. With the attention on CCD as a virus. I am curious if by chance this virus crossed over and is contributing to my health issues? Have you as a beekeepers experenced health issues that are new to you with in the last 2-3 years?

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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    Pose the question to CDC in Atlanta.
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    No. What are your symptoms Hal?
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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    The virus in CCD is INSECT iridescent virus. This is not the same thing as the human 'getting older' virus, which places stress on us humans and we start having other health issues we never had before.

    I started keeping bees 3 years ago. In the past 3 years, I've gained 30+ pounds. My joints have also started creaking louder.

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    Which you credit to beekeeping?
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    If you have a recently acquired symptom, and have ticks in your area, I would suspect a tick born disease before any bee born disease. I received a tick bite, had the bullseye, galloping joint pain, and was diagnosed as "clean". There are opinions that the bee venom masks certain chemicals that the tests are looking for, and can skew the conclusions drawn by a less that acute medical professional.

    Roland

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    Which you credit to beekeeping?

    It has to be because of beekeeping. I started keeping bees 3 years ago, and that's when I started gaining weight, and when these bones started creaking louder because of that extra weight.

    It's just coincidence that 3 years ago I got dentures and started eating better, and I also quit smoking 2 packs a day.

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    LOL countryboy your post gave me a big smile and is one of the reasons I love Beesource

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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    Hal, if you have been using chemical treatments for mites etc. in your hives, is it possible those chemicals could somehow be involved in your health issues? Might want to consider that possibility.
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    Steven
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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    I am so scared now... that im-a-going to get CCD for my bees
    im going to sell them all



    not rely lol

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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    CCD related:

    If you are cleaning lots of deadouts-you should know that some of the mold in the hives is toxic to humans and can cause respiratory problems.

    There is also the stress factor in seeing all those deadouts!

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    All,

    Thank you all for your in put.

    Sqkcrk- Symptoms include shortness of breath, fatigue, body and headaches, lack of concentration, tired, with excessive sleep, and actually sleep (NOT toss and turn in bed) for up to 16 hours a day. Some days are better then others.

    Just recently was admitted to the hospital for what was thought as a heart attack. EKG and other CAT scans showed heart working OK. I was kept in for 24hrs observation because a marker used for heart damage or lack of oxygen was off the charts. Some enzyme starting with Trop##### if I remember right. I dont mean to scare anyone but have not been able to pinpoint the problem.

    I may be getting old but Im in **** good shape! 6 205 lbs healty in all respects till recently.

    Roland- been tested for lime disease. Thank you for you suggestion.

    Steve I use no chemicals at all. Thank you as well.

    Logger Mike Dead-out Mold can be an issue here that I will look into. I had lost 30 colonies this past year and had 23 +/- lost to CCD, 4 that froze and 3 that starved. The CCD hives had very few bees in them and not much mold. The other hives had plenty of bees and mold. Thank you and I will look into this further.

    Please advise if any other beekeepers have issues with any of the above symptoms and or any other ideas.

    Thanks again,

    Hal

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    I wasnt aware there was a known cause for CCD only assumed causes. Could someone educate me where they actually say it is absolutly caused by a virus.

    I have read virus, fungi, chemical and so on, but no one has nail the nail in the coffin saying is was for sure virus. Thinking about it, if it was any of the factors virus, bacti, fungi or chemically related, how do we know there is no other factor that is causing it. Giving a bee a weak immune system, kind of like how HIV end up with AIDS which someone dies from another factor such as pneumonia.

    Just want someone to enlighten me if there is something new out there that I missed?

    Thank You

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Mack View Post
    All,



    Roland- been tested for lime disease. Thank you for you suggestion.
    make sure that the lyme test was processed by quest diagnostics, a friend of mine was misdiagnosed for many years until he went to a specialist. one test confirmed that he had it, although the symtoms you have don't exactly match what he had. he couldn't get any sleep.
    mike syracuse ny
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    Hal MacK
    We have a neighbor that has somewhat similar symptoms except not sure about the extra sleep. He spent 2 weeks in hospital recently with nothing diagnosed. They sent him home. Heart and all related came back fine. Family thinks it could be Lyme disease but test came back neg. He is not beekeeper but is active outdoors fishing, golf, camping, yard work etc. He is 60+/-. Can't walk 200' to mail box.
    Hope they figure yours out soon.

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    I may not have been clear in my previous post. Wildbranch is confirming my view, that there may be something wrong with the testing, or that bee venom creates a false negative? Now that I am not getting stung every day, I can feel my foot that got bitten by a tick acting up. It will go away in Spring(the acting up, not the foot).

    Roland

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    Default Re: CCD and Beekeeper Health?

    The symptoms make me think of Lyme disease as well. You might want a second test done, by a different lab.
    The little bee returns with evening's gloom,
    To join her comrades in the braided hive... -Tennyson

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    Sqkcrk- Symptoms include shortness of breath, fatigue, body and headaches, lack of concentration, tired, with excessive sleep, and actually sleep (NOT toss and turn in bed) for up to 16 hours a day. Some days are better then others.

    IIRC, carbon monoxide poisoning can cause these symptoms. There is some disease that causes chronic fatigue too....my dad's cousin claims to have it but I can't recall what it is.

    I wasnt aware there was a known cause for CCD only assumed causes. Could someone educate me where they actually say it is absolutly caused by a virus.


    A couple months back Jerry Bromenshank, et al published an indepth report that found a new virus, insect iridescent virus, in combination with nosema ceranae in CCD hives.

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    Hal,

    As one or two mentioned, carbon monoxide!! Have fire dept come and check out your home. Are you the only one in the house? This is the time of year! Water heater, furnace, fireplace,etc.

    Kind regards,
    Stonefly7

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    I also was thinking of Lyme or Chronic Fatigue or a toxin. Or, are you exposed to lead at all by air or food, food on dishes containing unknown lead, or ?? Could it be MS? You could have more than one issue right now and the mix of symptoms confuses diagnosis. Someone actually had both Lyme and MS at the same time. They were only treating for one only to find about the other issue later.

    Hope they find out fast! In the meantime, take bee pollen, propolis and royal jelly. They are anti-fungal, anti-viral and anti-bacterial. If anyone has Lyme, it is recommended to do bee venom therapy in addition to what the doctor prescribes. Bee venom crosses the blood/brain barrier and also goes into joints to attack the Lyme spirochete. Some drugs don't do that very well. Lyme likes to "hide" in the brain and in joints. Bee venom is also anti-viral, anti-bacterial and anti-fungal.

    Just throwing some things out there to consider to help you with the medical attention you are getting from your doctor. Wish you well and let us know how you are doing.
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