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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Truck Mounted Cranes

    Happy New Year all!

    Here's a link to photos of a boom I built for myself after using a Kelly loader for several years.
    http://picasaweb.google.com/wabeeman/HiveLoader#

    It has several "features" built in based on my own and other beeks horror stories.
    -It telescopes down for transport. I also use this feature to dismount from the truck. I just back into the barn, raise the boom, chain it to the rafters, pull two pins, retract the boom - which raises it off the truck bed- unplug the cord (I almost always remember to do this ) and pull away. Including unbolting the cradle from the cab guard it takes about 4 minutes.
    -The boom slides in the mount. My solution to a leveling system. Sliding the boom back counterbalances which helps a bit on uneven ground. Since I must climb up on the truck bed and manually slide the boom I rarely do this opting instead to just push harder or find flatter ground. I have used this feature several times for tight spots where I had to set bees amongst trees or other obsticles.
    -It has a 16 ft reach (two 8' lengths of barn door track) which is often a foot or two short, something that doesn't happen with a swinger or bobcat.
    -It is built with off the shelf parts. Grainger, Napa, Northern Tool & the local hardware store were my parts sources. If I had to special order a part I found another alternative (because that would inevitably be the part that breaks). Everything else I fabricated in such a way that it could be easily repaired by any welding shop.
    -The current winch I built (OK, the motor wasn't off the shelf but my Napa store got it for me in two days). I went through several iterations of this but ended up building my own because I could customize line speed. ATV winches are too slow (when the flood waters are 15' ABOVE you and just about to top the dike ). If I were to build one today I'd probably use a bigger warn winch with wireless remote. It would simplify things a lot and be cheaper than building my own albeit at the expense of customizing line speed.
    -Capacity? Well...not real sure. It can load a stack of six honey packed westerns, or 4 deeps, so something over 300#. To load hives I first stack two double deep colonies, then load both on the truck. With 16' of reach you get a lot of torque/tipping on the truck, but as the truck gets loaded things even out. I suppose a creative person could rig some stabilizers but it's just something I didn't want to deal with . If I know me, and I do, if it's not simple I won't use it.
    I built this loader in 2002 and just got done with some wear and tear modifications so it has worked pretty well. I hadn't given much thought to cost until another beek asked about my building one for him but I sat down and figured this boom, in this configuration, would run around $8000 including mounting on his truck. (I never had to tell him that because in the mean time he came across an old Kelley boom for a VERY good price...free )
    I don't have any written plans, just a few sketches, and the pictures in the fog between my ears, but if anyone were wanting to put together a loader like this I'd be happy to email with you.

  2. #42
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    Default Re: Truck Mounted Cranes

    Was it your intention to redirect to this selfsame thread? Just curious...
    "Experience is that which enables us to recognize our mistakes - the next time we make them."

  4. #44
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    EastSideBuzz

    I am trying to work out the details to be the north American distributor of this and many more products in the near future. The patten owners are from Germany.

    Check this link out http://www.youtube.com/user/apijuneda

    Brooklyn

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    Default Re: Truck Mounted Cranes

    Quote Originally Posted by S&H View Post
    Was it your intention to redirect to this selfsame thread? Just curious...
    Nope. I had 2 threads open and posted it in the wrong one. That is why there are two identical posts. Sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn View Post
    EastSideBuzz

    I am trying to work out the details to be the north American distributor of this and many more products in the near future. The patten owners are from Germany.

    Brooklyn
    Let me know what you come up with. If the price is not to huge I would be interested in one.

  6. #46
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    I am wondering if anyone has made the lifting braket like a truck mounted crane uses that would work on the forks of a bobcat. It would have to work much like the clam shell scoop that some excavating cranes use. Lower the unit and it would realease to grip the hive, lift and a clamping action firmly hold the hive, and set down and it then would release again.

  7. #47
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    til you bounce and it lets go!
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

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    Default Re: Truck Mounted Cranes

    Ian, I see your point on that one. I put this out there as some of the best inventions I have seen in the farming industry come from these front line users. I have used a boom that attaches to forks almost making the machine a crane. Just looking for someone to improve my idea so that one machine could be more multi use.

  9. #49
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    I lift barrels with something like that, with my skidder. Over rough ground I have to be careful not to bounce !!
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

  10. #50
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    Default Re: Truck Mounted Cranes

    The Payne loader levels in all directions with the touch of a hyd lever and and raises 30 inches. They are somewhat idiotproof. These forign models just do not look strong enough. The bending moment in their joints leave no room for error. The pivot on a Payne is 3inch by 8 inch tall. I think some folks are comparing a 22 ft Payne with these forign jobs that have a reach of 14 ft. My Payne was cut down to 14 ft and had the strength to lift 600 lb close to the bed.
    That said, I have a friend who bought the Aussi machine and he is a great welder. He just feels the versatility in close quarters is worth the price.

  11. #51
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    my reach is 16 feet with a max lift of 300 kg in all directions

    I dont know much about the Payne loader. Where is it built? Who sells them?
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryVanderpool View Post
    With the Payne or Kelly, there is SOOOOO much enertia to deal with and leveling is a nightmare compared with pushing a button for 1 1/2 second.
    I have a boom on my truck. It is nice to lift a hive on and off moving a couple between yards. But, loading up 40 takes quite a bit of time compared to my partner who uses a Moffat truck mounted fork lift. I am looking to get a Swinger for myself and will probably use both for a while.

    I tried to use my boom it to lift suppers and found that it is easier and quicker to just lift them. I am sure if you have lifting issues these things are great but, it is way slower then just lifting them. Maneuvering the truck into the yard to work them with the lift would be an issue.

    I envy the guy that can get an EZ Loader but, it takes time to lift 40 hives onto a truck and then they come out booming because they are mad that you have lifted them. Iit is much nicer to be sitting 3-4 feet away on a forklift then to be 6 inches away with them at chest level crawling all over you.

    Loading a truck for moving a whole yard into almonds or fruit is for forklifts. Moving a couple between yards or for a small guy then not so sure. I think the price point needs to be 40 and above and 40 and below one 16ft truck load.

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...p?273971-Aj100

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    Hey guys, I have had an Ezy Loader for 6 years and it works well. It was not cheap and a pain to get to the US but as I told my wife it is cheaper than a back operation and I am a one man show. How are you guys powering your Ezy-loader? My mechanic hates second batteries so we put a high capacity battery in my F 250 and I rev up the motor. I just hate to leave the motor running while I run the loader as the Ford drinks gas but the loader needs the power.

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    I run an additional battery separated with an isolator. I see no trouble with this, its done with RVs just about everywhere.
    I like this set up, as the battery will charge as I run the truck, but only the loader battery is drawn from when the truck is off.
    Get your truck set up with a good alternator.
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by wglord View Post
    How are you guys powering your Ezy-loader? My mechanic hates second batteries so we put a high capacity battery in my F 250 and I rev up the motor.
    Tell your mechanic to go fly a kite and then purchace two high capacity utility batteries. Les Schwab calls them, "school bus batteries". DO NOT USE DEEP CYCLE!
    With them wired in parallel, I can completly load or unload my truck without running the engine other than to move the truck.
    My F-450 has an upfitter connection in the fuses under the hood that turns on when the engine actually starts.
    Not when the key is on, but when the engine is actually running.
    From that point you can turn on a continous duty relay that connects your auxillery batteries to your truck batteries.
    Maybe your F250 has this point as well. (Don't ask your mechanic; ask Ford)
    I really like the idea of arranging your hives in a keyhole style in honey yards.
    Then when you go to pull honey you can pull the truck in and pull honey with the boom.
    Do you want to have your truck running the entire time? Of course not.
    Good luck!
    I have exactly ONE hive more than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond question.

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