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    Default Giving up

    Has anybody came up with a way to keep small hive beetles out of there hives. I am at the point of giving up and stop beekeeping. It is no longer enjoyable have to fight hive beetles when the bees wont.s

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Presently, I could recommend relocating here to Tucson, Arizona and leave them behind. So far it seems that SHB have not colonized this area. Every beekeeper I've spoken with, in this area, have not seen any of these pesky creatures. Perhaps there are climatic conditions, here, that they do not appreciate. Whatever has been keeping them away from my hives, I hope it continues.
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    Give it up.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Default Re: Giving up

    Keith Delaplane (UGa) was the guest speaker at our State Assn meeting this summer. He said they've had success using nematodes in the ground around hives to control SHB.
    http://www.sripmc.org/successstory/G...ive_beetle.cfm

    Google "small hive beetle" and "nematode" and you'll find a lot.

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    We have not seen hardly any beetles this year. I am looking into bee genetics in relation to the small hive beetle. We have a VSH, why not a SHBSH? I have actually seen bees in survivor colonies trying to sting beetles to death, or carry them away.
    Something to ponder

    Also, try putting them (your hives) on a rock covered area or concrete.

    Mike

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    Default Re: Giving up

    I am not quite ready to give up yet, but I do share your frustration. So far, I am fighting them with everything but ground treatment. Everything that I have tried has worked some, but nothing seems to be "the" cure. My best success has come from a combination of hive design (no crevices for them to hide in), traps (currently using the Better Beetle trap) and keeping the hives healthy and full of bees. The beetles always seem to be in my weaker hives. Trying to use that to my advantage.
    Hang in there.

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    Part of the beetles reproductive cycle requires cool/damp ground right? Has anyone tried concrete pavers or pads under hives? I have heard they don't seem to appear in hives placed in full sun, but I am a total newbe...

    Or maybe pans of water under hive stands? I have 30"x30" rabbit droppings pans from rabbit cages that I have thought about using under hives to prevent pests from crawling to the hive. Of course that won't stop flying insects (dumb question... do SHB fly?)

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Quote Originally Posted by Jam View Post
    Of course that won't stop flying insects (dumb question... do SHB fly?)
    Yep, they do fly and I have heard that they will travel up to three miles to get to a hive. I have my one and only hive up on a deck. I also sprinkled diatomaceous earth in the cracks of the deck. I seem to always have a few in the hive anyway....

    i may try the nematodes. i had GREAT success with flea larvae nematodes years ago. Of course nematodes like moist soil and we are in another drought.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Lauren, the odds are, you will always have shb in the hive. The key, at least for me, is to use traps. In fact, depending on the size of my hive (e.g. the number of boxes/supers) I have from 1 to 4 AJ Beetle Eater traps in each hive. I always seem to have a few beetles running around, but the traps are always catching them. I have never had a hive overrun by the beetles. So far the most I've seen in a hive is 12...which means there are more in hiding. They crunch real nicely under my hive tool. The hives I have in full sun seem to have much, much less problem with the beetles.

    As has been posted elsewhere, because the beetles can fly, if you treat the ground around the hive, you're losing the battle. They'll come from somewhere else.
    Regards,
    Steven
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    Default Re: Giving up

    I am in my first year of beekeeping and haven't seen any yet, but I assume they are coming.

    Check out this site. http://beetlejail.com

    Looks like someone has figured out how to keep them from walking in the front door at least. I think there is also a video on youtube somewhere demonstrating how it works.

    Does anyone know if these types of traps work?

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Has anyone tried cedar wood chips around the hives.? Or Starbucks coffee grounds sprinkled around the hive. That is very acidic and they might not like that kind of soil to cross.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    I use the screened bottom board with the pan in it that holds cooking oil. Seems to work well for beetles and wax moth.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    get you some beetle barns from Rossman Apiaries i had tons os shb till i got them now i have a few but the barns got most of the to the point the bees can handle the rest

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    Default Re: Giving up

    I also recommend the beetle barns but you will need a little "surprise" inside for the beetles if the infestation is large.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Are there any beetle traps that go under the bottom board? I often wonder if one could be constructed, similar to a jar feeder, except under the bottom board or screened bottom board. Something that could be removed and inspected from outside the hive. Maybe a jar lid with holes, fastened to the bottom board, where you could screw the jar off and empty out & refill with bait oil. Just a brainstorm. Nothing too fancy. I don't know if something like that would work or not.

    I see a few beetles here and there, but one of these days, I am sure I will have a hive getting hammered by small hive beetle.

    Those beetle jail traps look very nice, but not something I would try to build myself. Most folks are looking for something effective that can be made in their work shop. That puts some of the fun into it!

    Rob

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    Default Re: Giving up

    I just checked my hives today. It is midwinter here and we are just at the beginning of a promising flow ( Euc) - my weaker hives seem to have fewer beetles then the strong ones. Can't work it out.
    I use traps with Diatomatious earth.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Try the opaque Plexiglas top and SBB technique. SHB dont like light, drive them out.

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    Default Re: Giving up

    That's what I'd try, any type of top that lets light in. I've seen 3 letters in the bee magazines where people are having good luck with light driving the beetles out of the hive.
    The nematodes sound interesting also.

    Quote Originally Posted by Show-me View Post
    Try the opaque Plexiglas top and SBB technique. SHB dont like light, drive them out.
    Dan

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Frosted plexiglass tops don't work,I've had them on for 2 months and still have beetles.The good part is I can now see beetles run to the top corners an squish them without removeing top.I also put out nematodes and have them in full sun.I have screened bottoms with oil and they do dump them down there. I have noticed that larvae can crawl around in the cooking oil for a couple days before they die.s

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    Default Re: Giving up

    Check this video out

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6074479/15782490

    Brooklyn

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