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    Default Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Hi All - My name is Mark Henson. I'm a software developer and beekeeper in the western mountains of NC. I've been working for almost 2 years on a new online application for beekeepers. Hive Tracks (www.hivetracks.com) will have its official launch and débuted at the Eastern Apicultural Society (EAS) meeting in Boone, NC on August 2, 2010. Hive Tracks is a FREE service. Its not just a website. It’s a powerful online database where each user can track their yards, hives, weather, inspections, feedings, medications and more. Please take a look at it and give me your brutal, honest opinion.

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Welcome. Bee careful what you ask 4.

    Right from first glance, is that a bee or a yellowjacket wasp in the upper left corner? It looks like it has a head and a body, not three body parts like insect have. That's as far as I have gotten so far. Back for more later after I get into it. But it would be nice to have more of an introduction before having to commit oneself to an account. Some people are leary of taking such a step w/out more knowledge.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    I can take it!s
    Its a bee (2 pair of wings). Good point on the info. We have focused so much on the database that the website bits are still weak. I intend to have a "demo" yard setup where users can actually test drive Hive Tracks before making an account. This is version 1 so there are many, many missing features. Thanks for the feedback. You are not the first user to ask for more info before creating an account.
    Last edited by mhenson; 07-23-2010 at 07:21 AM.

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    Ok Mark, thanks for this, it is something I have been thinking about. I took a leap of faith and started an account. Some things that I found quickly were: In hive bulider,if you add and entrance reducer it tells you something is wrong with your set up ( not what, just something, trial and error to figure out what). We are in the derth here and many folks use an reducer (with screened bottom boards) to prevent robbing. How about a screened inner cover? Can you back date? I created two yards and noticed that in yard 2 inspections under the RX section there is sugur water, which where not aviliable in yard 1. How about combining hives?

    Thanks,
    Dave
    I'm like the weatherman- right about half of the time.

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    Well...
    Right off the bat, it is nearly useless to me.

    While I am sure the many people with Langstroth style hives will find it handy, I have only a couple of those, with the majority of my hives being tbh's.

    There are many people I know who keep a variety of hives now a days in a bee yard, not only Langs, even though langs may be the majority in their yard, they may still like to keep track of the other hives as well.

    The way people work with bees and the equipment used is very diverse and I know that will increase the difficulty of creating a fully comprehensive site. but the more options you can provide, the more useful the site will be to a wider audience.

    presentation wise, the click through screens for entering information is nice.
    the methods of using sliders and other data entry methods beyond text is interesting and appealing as well.

    I would suggest in the inspections that an area for pests be included. it isn't just diseases that bees suffer from. beetles and skunks and raccoons, even bears, depending on location are things to pay attention to in the apiary.

    beyond that, I guess what stands out most to me is the lack of options. you have selections for type of foundation except none, for example.

    same for treatments. sure, one can simply not check those items, but what if one wants others to be able to read those inspections and not have the reader have to guess that they don't use treatments or foundation or other things? "none" as an option can be quite descriptive in terms of hive management as well.

    speaking of which, are there plans for a summary or reports section where people can print or download reports and information about their beeyards and hives?

    as I mentioned in reviewing someone else's bee tracking website, online apps are great until I can't access them due to my ISP being down, your server being down or any number of database crashes, code issues, etc... data is completely inaccessible at those times and that's not a good feeling for anyone. having a way to obtain backups or working offline with one's data is a confidence building plus.

    ok. that's it for now I think. you asked, I answered.

    I'll keep watching and see how/if it progresses/improves.

    Big Bear
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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Nice working on finding the issue with entrance reducers. I have a fix and will post it later today. I don't understand the issue with sugar feedings though. It should be the same for all yards... are you sure you are hitting "next" to see all the pages of the inspection? Can you elaborate?

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    OK. Entrance reducer issue fixed and posted

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    Nice site. I started an account today, although I don't know if I will continue to use it in the future. Time will tell.

    Do you mind if I ask what service Hive Tracks offers that Bee Tight doesn't? The only difference I have seen is that Bee Tight offers the addition of different types of hives (TBH, Warre, ect) while you only have Langs. Bee Tight also cost $15 a year for over 6 hives. I'm assuming yours is free indefinitely?

    If you are offering it for free, what type of server space do you have? Will you be able to handle hundreds of individuals opening free accounts? What if a few of them are commercialists checking it daily, with thousands of hives? The last thing I'm interested in doing is putting all my data on a website that crashes in two months.

    Is it possible do download your data and back it up on your own computer? Just in case?

    I also would be very interested in a printable form, to share with others, take with you as you sell to another, or just keep as a paper copy.

    Bee Tight also offers barcodes for each hive that you can print off and put on the hive. If you have a phone that reads barcodes, you can even do it all from your phone out in the yard. You may not be able to offer barcodes, but some form of hive identifiers would be helpful.

    Generally speaking I can't say that I'm for using computer software to track hives at the moment. My out-apiaries are over an hour away. I don't have computer access there, so I have to either remember the information and hope I remember it correctly by the time I make it back home, or I have to write it down to transfer it into the computer later. If I write it down, why transfer it into the computer? If relying on memory, the data isn't very accurate anyway. But those are critiques on the system as a whole, not so much on your site.

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Thanks for the input Specialkayme. Hive Tracks is just coming out of version 1 development and will have lots of new features added later this year including many of the ones you mentioned. As for using a computer, the idea is not to replace pen and paper, the idea is to get the most out of the information. If you just write stuff down its really hard later to find trends, sort stuff, find min and max values, compare hives in one yard to hives in another, keep track of what you did to a hive even if you did not write it down. As you use Hive Tracks, these things are automatically tracked. In later releases we will have reports and geo-maps with honey flows, trends in pests and correlations with weather and other stuff that can only be done with a computer. This is the true value of Hive Tracks.

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Quote Originally Posted by mhenson View Post
    In later releases we will have reports and geo-maps with honey flows,
    Now that is something I would be interested in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenson View Post
    Nice working on finding the issue with entrance reducers. I have a fix and will post it later today. I don't understand the issue with sugar feedings though. It should be the same for all yards... are you sure you are hitting "next" to see all the pages of the inspection? Can you elaborate?
    Opps, my bad. Thanks for the quick turnaround on the E-Reducer
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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Are you able to move a hive from one yard to another or do you have to delete and create again?

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    To move hives is a Cut-Copy-Paste thing:

    1. Go to the yard page that shows the list of hives in a table.
    2. Check the checkbox for the hives you want to move
    3. Hit the "Edit/Cut" menu item. You will see a scissor icon on the hives you are "cutting".
    4. Select the same table view of yard you want to move the hives to and hit the "Edit/Paste" menu item.

    This will move the hives with all their inspections, photos and other attributes to the new yard.

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    I've been using their site for a couple of months as I know Mr. Wilkes who has a hand in developing this and will be doing the presentation at EAS. He is a professor at Appalachian State where the conference is held.

    The site works well for me for what I have used it for.

    Good luck on your Going live.
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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    I like it so far. However, there is no provision for 4 or 5 frame nucs in the hive builder section. Would be a nice addition.

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    When you create a hive you can set the number of frames it has. If you change your mind you can change it. Take a look at the "Hive Information" tab of a given hive. The only problem is that it will not look any different in the image I render. I will work on that.

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Hi Mark,

    Did that...

    a couple of other notes:

    1. NO provision for VSH Queens or way to write them in.
    2. No Shallow supers
    3. No migratory bottom boards or covers, and I get a message that my configuration is not quite right, but I can't build the hives I have.

    I'll keep writing as I find more stuff, if I do, but I like the format and the info pretty well.

    Cam Bishop

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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    Thanks Cam. Actually you can give a queen any description you like after you select a type. Just type it in the description textbox. I will add a VSH type though... good point.

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    As I mentioned in my post. Options. More options.

    Big Bear
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    Default Re: Official Launch of Hive Tracks

    There is a typo in the first step of creating an account.

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