View Poll Results: How many people use Apistan

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  • On a regular basis

    3 3.30%
  • Only if varroa are detected in high numbers

    2 2.20%
  • Only if it is absolutely necessary to prevent a hive from dying

    4 4.40%
  • Never

    82 90.11%
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Thread: A chemical poll

  1. #1
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    Default A chemical poll

    I know that one was just done but I wanted to be a little more specific.

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I think that there must be more people out there who use apistan. One guy is not supporting the entire business! Speak up! That is the only way to make an accurate poll, if everyone pitches in.

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Good luck w/ that. I've never seen a poll that had that much participation anywhere, let alone beeosurce.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I know... just trying to stir the pot (:

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I don't think this kind of poll is going to provide any accurate info. Only 4 people have said they use Apistan and 29 who have never used it. Yet I know many people who use Apistan. Oh well... It is still interesting (:

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Oh, I took Never as in Never use it any more, not Never used it. I used it when it first came out. There wasn't anything else to use. But I stopped using it when it became ineffective. So I "Never" use it anymore. There are other things to spend my time and money on.

    That being said, a friend of mine who doesn't do beesource, so isn't going to vote, uses it annually and leaves the strips in his hives. He says that the ones that make it through the winter are the ones w/ the strips in them. The dead ones don't. I don't know if that's a good cause and effect assumption to make. I know it is against label recommendations. It does show up in his honey, but well below the tolerance level, extremely well below. According to the lab reports that I have seen.

    Maybe you could clarify your poll, but it doesn't look like you are going to get much response more than what you have gotten. But don't let me discourage you.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Need to put one more on your list have used it in the past but dont use it any more.

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Great idea. I'll give it a try...
    Last edited by honeyman46408; 07-22-2010 at 04:30 PM. Reason: UNQ

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Does anyone know how to change a poll already posted?

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Cant.

    Ya, I use to use it, dont anymore, so I voted never. I will never choose it to control the v mite problems again mainly becasue of resistance problems
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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I've never used it. The figures I would like to see would be the productivity (honey production and splits) and dead outs of those operations that recently started using Apistan (within the last year), those that have been using it for more than 5 years, and those that have never used it. I think that would yield some really useful information.

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I'm honestly a bit surprised it's still available. Ignoring that mites were becoming increasingly resistant to it (which may be much less of a problem now that very few people use it to my knowledge), it has significant negative side affects that ultimately can lead to poorly mated queens and superceedure or hive failure.

    “We found with some of the chemicals (specifically fluvalinate,
    the active ingredient in Apistan) sperm reduction in
    drones over 50 percent. We’ve not seen any significant effects
    (of Apistan) on the queen.” - http://www.wasba.org/newsletters/0402news.pdf

    Checkmite has similar issues:
    "Drones exposed to coumaphos (recommended dose on the label) during development and sexual maturation had significantly reduced sperm viability which continued to decrease over a six week sampling period " - http://www.beeculture.com/storycms/i...y&recordID=626

    I get why they were used originally, bees were dieing faster than we could breed them or come up with alternate methods. But at this point there are plenty of other management techniques and treatments that work as well as bees that seem to be at least more tolerant of varroa.

    -Tim

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Cant.

    Ya, I used to use it, don't anymore, so I voted never. I will never choose it to control the v mite problems again mainly becasue of resistance problems
    Thank's, to bad you can't. I guess it just means you don't use it anymore. I must say that it is still an effective way to combat vm by many people(where there is no resistance of course).

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    >>I must say that it is still an effective way to combat vm by many people

    doubt that
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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    >>I must say that it is still an effective way to combat vm by many people

    doubt that
    How come?

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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    Doesnt work here, due to resistance problems. Resistace problems are pretty much across the continent now
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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    You can still get it because people will still buy it. It doesn't work round here but there are still people putting it in hives. A couple of years ago I acquired a hive with six strips in it, all linked together and apparently put in at the same time.
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    Default Re: A chemical poll

    I acquired a hive with six strips in it
    Wow, that's a little overboard. And then we wonder why there is resistance...

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