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  1. #1
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    Default Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I took my extractor for a spin, I extracted my first medium super .
    My question is, other than bolting it to the floor what methods do people use to prevent it walking away? It's a Maxant 10/20.
    It has bolt holes in the 3 feet, and I was thinking of bolting those to a wooden base and then rested my 105 pounds of John Deere tractor weights on the wood. Is that enough weight? What do other folks do?
    Thanks, Adrian.
    Last edited by Adrian Quiney WI; 07-14-2010 at 05:24 AM. Reason: more detail

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Instead of bolts, use lag screws. I bet it'll still walk on you w/ themethod you are thinking about using. Or you will have to use so many tractor weights that they will be in your way.

    But, maybe you will be successful. Try it and let us know.
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I have a small one (9 frame) that's bolted to a pallet.
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    With the 1400 series I would get a piece of 4x4 sheet of 3/4 or 1 inch plywood, run 3 bolts through the underside. Then set the extractor leg hole tabs over the bolts. Tighten down with some wingnuts for quick and easy removal. You now have a larger surface area for stability. If you want to get a little more creative you can take some weights and set them underneath the exctractor.
    If you are in a spot that the extractor will stay, then you may consider lags through the floor.
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Maybe sand ags would be better than tractor weights. then if you stubbed your toe against the weight it wouldn't hurt as much.
    Just a thought.
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I have an older 50 frame Root Extractor. Its mounted on a wooden base and the base is also secured into the cement floor

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    3 swivel casters with 3/8" studs through the leg mounting holes works fine. I don't understand the need for any platform or base? The casters give the height for a double strainer and 5 gallon bucket.
    I put a "real" honey gate on my Maxant 1400. It extends out about 4" longer than the original. I tilt the unit kepping one foot jammed against one caster as I tilt it. At some point two front caters flop over and I can empty all but maybe a pound of honey/trash and the gate is inside the strainer. I just have to make sure I keep a hand on the side that is lower to keep it from kicking backward and falling over.
    Why the bases & platforms?

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Quote Originally Posted by challenger View Post
    3 swivel casters with 3/8" studs through the leg mounting holes works fine. I don't understand the need for any platform or base? The casters give the height for a double strainer and 5 gallon bucket.
    That's all I did for my new 1400 (no platform, no nothing) works like a charm with just a simple "wobble." Jake (from Maxant) should recommend it as preferred method of mounting!
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    3 wheels work great and relieves the stress on the entire system.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I plan on doing my extracting in the garage so I will bolt mine to the floor 3 small holes in the concrete 3/16 " to run some Tap Cons in when done back them out until next time . Simple easy and sturdy.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Quote Originally Posted by D A V E View Post
    I plan on doing my extracting in the garage so I will bolt mine to the floor 3 small holes in the concrete 3/16 " to run some Tap Cons in when done back them out until next time . Simple easy and sturdy.
    The problem with TapCons is they are screws and will bugger out the holes after a few removals and installations. I've got some anchors in my garage floor for another application, some steel devices with machine screw threads. I drilled the correct size for these, drop in the anchors, then strike a punch down the middle to set an expansion cone in the bottom. These are available in many sizes. McMaster-Carr calls these drop-in anchors, and an example of a part number is 97083A290 for their 1/4-20 size, or 97083A310 for their 3/8-16.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I have a Maxalt 20 frame that's bolted down and a 5 gallon bucket fits under the gate but just barely so I use a 4. The clearance isn't enough with a 5 imo for changing the screens etc.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    We have a 4' x 4' piece of half inch plywood with three flat-head bolts protruding up, held in by T-nuts. The feet of the extractor bolt down to the plywood, and we stand on the plywood. If it had the audacity to move, at least we would move with it.

    Eventually we'll build a honey room with anchor points in the floor.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Thanks for the input. I have a Dadant 6-12 with the stainless steel stand. My plan is to drill 3 holes in the concrete garage floor for the SS stand, and epoxy 3/8" female drop-in inserts in the concrete holes. Then I can run a hex bolt through the ss stand into the female drop-in insert. The inserts should sit flush with the surface of the floor if I decide to move it. Any problems with this idea? Anyone
    Mounted there's like this? Thanks

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Just a minor suggestion that I use on my floor anchors. Most of the year the anchors are not in use, so run a threaded plug into them so they don't get filled up with crud. Allen head set screws or just cut off bolt ends with a slot will do fine.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Use castor's you'll never look back. They act as shock absorbers and take all the stress off the extractor, mine will set there and wiggle a little until it balances out, I've never had it move more than a foot or so. The first time I tried them I thought "of course". I used to bolt mine down solid and worry about the stress on all the parts. If I was smart enough I'd post a you tube of it running but I'm lucky to make a phone call on the first try most days. Use three castors, the bigger the better, I started out with 4 and on an slopped floor it would teeter a little.
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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    Thanks dave. I'm sold. Where did you get your casters? Would you get better quality if you could do it over again. Some of the heavy duty casters are darn expensive.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I know nothing about physics. Will a larger caster wheel be better in this application and absorb more of the energy? Or will it allow the extractor to move around more? Could it move around so much as to unplug it self from the wall?

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    One thing I like about not bolting it down is I can tip it to get all the honey out. I really wish the 1400 was slanted so the honey ran out easier. But, I tip mine and all the honey comes out. If I bolted it I would bolt it on hinges so I can tip it for that last bit of honey. I have mine on casters and can take it outside to let the girls clean it out for me at the end of extracting season. I use 2 cinder blocks on the base and start my spin slow and then when it balances out crank it up. Some times it walks on me so I never spin with the gate open. That makes a mess sometimes and I can prove it. I line my floor with cardboard 4x4 squares and then take them outside and let the girls clean them for me also. When it is to messy I just recycle them.

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    Default Re: Preventing an extractor from walking?

    I have an old Maxant 20 frame hand cranked extractor on a home made metal stand with 4 legs. Wasn't quite high enough to get a bucket and screen under it so I got a solid wooden door screwed in some 2 by 4's and put divots in the 2 X4's that the metal legs fit into. It doesn't move and I can tilt to get almost all of the honey out. Start slow to get most of the honey out and that takes care of unbalanced combs of honey and rocking.

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