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  1. #1
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    Default Swarm moved to outside hive!

    We brought a swarm home yesterday and put them in a Top bar hive. This morning I shined a light up in the bottom and they were balled up at the entrance on the inside of the hive. Now this evening they are covering the outside of the front of the hive and around the ends at the entrance end of the hive. We put a queen includer over the holes so I am certain that the queen is in the hive. I am hoping they go back in on their own. We have had freshly hived swarms leave us, but this is our first experience with a queen includer. Should we do some thing?

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    Default Re: Swarm moved to outside hive!

    Wait.
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    Default Re: Swarm moved to outside hive!

    Thanks, that is what I wanted to hear.

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    Default Re: Swarm moved to outside hive!

    I was also wondering if they are in sun or shade, and if there may be any odd scents inside the hive. Lemon grass oil may help.
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    Default Re: Swarm moved to outside hive!

    They are in late afternoon shade. It is 93 right now. I did put lemon grass oil in it several weeks ago. The hive has two bars with about 1.5" of good straight comb attached that has been cut off that I hope will get them started straight. I have a follower board giving slightly less than one half the hive. The bees have not moved.

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    Default Re: Swarm moved to outside hive!

    FEED THEM inside the hive
    (groove out a couple of top bars and use a baggie feeder)

    Does your TBH have a screened bottom board? If yes, shut it to stop the light.
    Your swarm doesn't think that your top bar hive is a suitable cavity and they are scouting for a new home. excluding the queen/"inculding" the queen is cruel. Make the hive a suitable place. Don't let the bees scout a new home and not be able to bring their queen. They don't understand the queen excluder. They will try to alight and she will not follow due the the excluder (maybe). Flying swarm queens can be small enough to get through excluders.

    Better to try to make your TBH attractive than to try to force bees to stay in a place they don't like.

    -Erin
    Erin Forbes, EAS Master Beekeeper
    overlandhoney.com

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