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  1. #1
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    Default Medium Super, 8 frame

    I'm trying to decide what equipment to buy for my first hive.
    Can I use Medium Honey Supers, 8 frame for the entire hive?

    Is this a bad idea? What would the disadvantages be?

    After reading for hours about horizontal hives I've decided
    that I want frames and a vertical setup but I like the idea
    of all equipment being universal and lighter weight boxes.

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Great Idea.
    I use all 8 frame mediums and they work great.

    Check them out
    http://brooklyn55bees.blogspot.com/

    Have fun and good luck
    Brooklyn

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    While I tried 8 frame medium, I reverted to 10-frame deep with shallow extracting supers. BUT, many run 8 frame med. quite successfully. See Mike Bush's site, and do a lot of reading. You'll learn scads from him. And go with your inclinations.
    http://www.bushfarms.com/bees.htm
    Regards,
    Steven
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Using all 8 frame mediums for brood and honey sounds good on paper. One size hive box and frames. Lighter overall weight to save your back and smaller colony size for management, lower aggression etc. I'm setting up my first 8 frame but I went with the standard deeps for brood and will be using the mediums for honey. Plan to have two brood deeps and 2 mediums for honey although I may go one deep and one medium for brood. For people using all mediums perhaps 3-4 for brood? Brooklyn sounds like the man to ask.

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    I think that 8-frame medium depth hives can be just as populous as other configurations. Here is a pic of the surplus population, early clustering (bearding) on the outside of an 8-frame medium hive when the hive only has one honey super on.


    I've had many hives with similar beards but on hives with six and more honey supers above the brood supers. I consider they are even as populous as any 10-frame hive configurations I've used or seen before.
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 05-10-2010 at 11:25 PM.
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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Clemens View Post
    Here is a pic of the surplus population, early clustering (bearding) on the outside of an 8-frame medium hive when the hive only has one honey super on.
    Joseph, is this amount of bearding supposed to be good news or bad news? I would have thought that this degree of bearding was a sign of overcrowding and so that swarming could be a concern, but as you have a great deal more experience than me, I am interested in your interpretation...

    -fafrd

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    For me it's good that the hives are that strong. With my configuration - I have almost no swarming:
    I've been getting that much bearding, I assume; because of our hot summers and because I often don't have sufficient honey supers available to give all my hives optimal storage space. It's hard to know the precise reason, for an absolute certainty, the bees don't actually complain in English, yet.
    48 years - 50 hives - TF
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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Hi everyone,
    Thanks for the responses. Well after even more hours of searching / reading here and bush farms web site (great link SteveG) I've decided to go with 8-frame deeps and mediums for my first hive, just starting out it may be the way to go for now and change later when I add new hives. I'm just looking forward to getting started, hopefully everything will get here quick so I can get some bees.

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    mblue-
    I run all 8 frame medium hives and i dont regret it. One size frame, and box greatly simplifies the operation and a lot less confusion when the help isnt sure of what I am actually asking for. But hey, the help is free so i cant complain to much!!!

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Is there a standard set of measurements for an eight(8) frame Lang box.
    I have a set for the 10 but want to know if there is a standard for the 8 frame?

    Thanks
    Old Guy in Alabama

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Here's a link to where you can get your measurements.

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    I like your design, did you make your 8 frame hive & supers and what are your dimensions?

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    Default Re: Medium Super, 8 frame

    Any complaints about eight frame hives tipping over?

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