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    Default Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I would like to hear from members who have experience with "VP Queens" .

    I'd also be interested in knowing how the VP queen-daughters performed.
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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I'm at a loss, What's a VP queen? Jack

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    I'm at a loss, What's a VP queen? Jack

    I guess you don't have experience with them....

    http://www.vpqueenbees.com/index.html
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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    And it looks like nobody else has either. Jack

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    And it looks like nobody else has either. Jack
    The only person I know of is Jim Fischer, and he speaks highly of them.

    I was looking for additional references. Adam F. Is an active member of this forum.
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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I hope you get the answer you're looking for I was wondering about the allegro line myself.

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Generally speaking I'm skeptical of buying from stock that has been breed to maintain their "survivor" genetics, so to speak. It's very difficult to standardize, quantify, validate, or authenticate if a queen is a 'survivor', or which one is a better 'survivor' than the next. It's easy to see the MH traits when you buy a queen, or the increased honey production from another strain, but how do you see the 'survivor' traits? Wait until your bees don't leave?

    That being said, I always like to keep my ears open to hearing good things about new stock, whatever the genetics.

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I have talked to Adam on the phone, "Allegro" is their version of Italian.
    Their website address is: http://www.vpqueenbees.com/

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    Smile Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    I would like to hear from members who have experience with "VP Queens" .

    I'd also be interested in knowing how the VP queen-daughters performed.
    I have the Spartans that are doing very good.Didn't treat at all in the fall,and will not treat.Mite count was low.Very genita, queen's had a great brood pattern.

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    And it looks like nobody else has either. Jack
    Jeez.. just because noone replied in 2 hours?
    I think you can search and see that folks are very happy with them myself included. They have spoken several times at EAS and are featured in a few articles in ABJ. For for those in the know, one of these queens live at a very special home which speaks for itself.

    I have a couple of 2nd year daughters or grandaughterse from 2008 queens that are strong performers and essentially mite free, (although I do use powdered sugar dusting as prevention).
    karla

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    Default I found a VP Queen

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I bought six queens form them last May. Three of each line. All six built up into strong enough hives to produce around seventy pounds of surplus honey. They were very gentle and calm on the comb when worked. Produced beautiful comb with minimal propollis. All showed excellent varroa resistance. All six went into winter well stocked with honey and pollen. And so far all are still alive. As of this date I would rate them A++. I plan on using any survivors to produce daughter queens. They have greatly benefited my genetic diversity in my quest to be varroa and tracheal treatment free.
    VP queens were great to deal with and delivered as promised. They are just what the beekeeping industry needs for breeding better bees.
    The Busy Bee teaches two lessons: One is not to be idle and the other is not to get stung.

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    Default Re: I found a VP Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    I found a VP Queen...

    She's in this hive:

    The queen in this hive is not a VP queen. It is one of Charlie Brandt's own.
    We've been working with Charlie over the year and I'll tell you it has been really fun
    to work with him in this setting!

    Thanks for the feedback--it really is kind!

    Adam Finkelstein
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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    I will be getting a VP Spartan queen or two this spring...can't wait for the order info to get here Adam

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    Default Re: I found a VP Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Thanks for the feedback--it really is kind!

    Adam Finkelstein
    Hi Adam,

    I sat in on a couple of Jim Fischer's beekeeping classes in NYC last winter and he mentioned your queens.

    How would you best describe your two lines in respect to the commonly known races.

    Joe
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    Default Re: I found a VP Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    Hi Adam,
    I sat in on a couple of Jim Fischer's beekeeping classes in NYC last winter and he mentioned your queens.
    How would you best describe your two lines in respect to the commonly known races. Joe
    Hi Joe and other folks,
    The main difference between our two "lines" (or phenotypes) we produce from our breeding population is the fashion
    in which the queens build-up and cluster-down for over-Wintering.

    Our Allegro builds up quickly in the Spring (or when there is newly available pollen and feed)
    whereas the Spartan builds more slowly.

    Our Spartan stores more in the broodnest in the Fall and forms
    a tighter cluster over-Winter than the Allegro.

    However: sometimes the lines act like the other and sometimes like neither--
    there is SO much variation in heredity that only broad classifications are accurate.
    I enjoy working both of our lines and our customers are split 50/50 between ordering the two.

    Adam Finkelstein
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    Default Re: I found a VP Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    The queen in this hive is not a VP queen. It is one of Charlie Brandt's own. [/url]
    THANKS VP QUEENS.

    And also big Thanks to Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE), Dr. Rick Fell and the Prince William Regional Beekeepers for helping Charlie have the opportunities to learn queen rearing.
    karla

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    So, the Allegro are NWC and Spartan are Italians. Or is that too simplified?

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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Quote Originally Posted by heaflaw View Post
    So, the Allegro are NWC and Spartan are Italians. Or is that too simplified?
    heaflaw,
    point your browser to:

    www.vpqueenbees.com/breeding.html
    This will give you a short history of what we're having fun with...



    Adam Finkelstein
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    Default Re: Any opinions of VP Queens?

    Looks like you guys know what you are doing. Looks like extremely interesting work. I envy you.

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