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    Default So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    The jury's still out, as you can see.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQKrcON6tk&fmt=22

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Enjoyed your video. When I first received my duster, I did things the way you did and the bees and I were not happy. So, I made some minor changes to the billows duster. I replaced their PVC pipe with one about 2 feet long. Then, I replace the end piece with a 90 degree elbow angle. Now, I get behind the hive and blow the sugar up from under the varroa mite screen. I just move all over the bottom of the screen. The bees remain calm. I am not 100% satisfied, but I do see enough mites fall that I believe it is working, at least on the bottom part of the hive.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Hi,
    I just watched you're video & enjoyed it. I've been playing with one also, & think you are holding it wrong. I think the lid needs to be upward so the sugar falls too the screen in the bottom of the hopper. There is a little mixer on the bottom that keeps the screen clear when you pump. Just turn the nozzle 90 deg.

    I'm might be wrong but I think it works better that way. Thanks, & Looking forward to the next film.
    Dan

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Walking Bird,

    Thank you for demonstrating one -- I saw ads that say you pump until a poof of 10X sugar comes out the top, but I didn't see it happen. I am thinking that whoever builds a better mousetrap for 10X sugar displacement will get alot of business.

    What are your Emus names and did you have pay them any royalties for being in your video?

    Just curious about your bee jacket as it seems really comfortable to wear. Who makes it -- I like the pockets.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Thanks everyone--- I'll give all the tips a try.

    As far as the beesuit- It's an Ultrabreeze, which I ordered from Magnet Man right here on the forum. It totally rocks. Connect with him or do a search on this forum for Ultrabreeze, and you'll see more. A little pricey, but well worth it; it's the most ventilated yet protective suit I've tried. I don't wear a shirt underneath, and I can feel the breeze cool me off--- it's hot out here in SoCal in the summer!

    Anyone interested in more videos, check out my blog at http://www.homegrownbees.blogspot.com

    If you click on the July archives you'll see a bunch there, and I've got more coming.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Great video review! I recently purchased one of these too and was wondering if they worked as well in the real world as the sales write up says.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    I think it'll get better with some of the above tips in mind. Once I get the hang of it I believe it'll be more effective than the giant shaker I used before.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Keep us posted -- I want to buy one in the worst way, but from the video, it didn't seem as effective as I was hoping for.

    I really wanted to see the dust come out the top as they claimed in their ads. I think your video only had one super on top of the deep. Most of my hives are running multiple supers above my deep.

    Will you be testing against hives with multiple supers. You are really doing us satellite beeks a great service by demonstrating this tool and posting it for us. Thank you.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Excellent video! I've been looking at that unit skeptically. After seeing the video it looks like brushing the sugar through the screen on top of the open hive as I currently do is faster and easier.

    I did run across this that's used in the lawncare industry for dust application.
    http://spyker.com/15.html It's using a hand crank fan for continuous airflow but the discharge would have to be modified to fit in a hives underside opening. Clogging may be an issue with this one as well. Has anyone tried this?
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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Quote Originally Posted by CentralPAguy View Post
    Keep us posted -- I want to buy one in the worst way, but from the video, it didn't seem as effective as I was hoping for.

    I really wanted to see the dust come out the top as they claimed in their ads. I think your video only had one super on top of the deep. Most of my hives are running multiple supers above my deep.

    Will you be testing against hives with multiple supers. You are really doing us satellite beeks a great service by demonstrating this tool and posting it for us. Thank you.

    You're right, it's a deep and a medium hive body stack, which is the size (generally) of my hives sans honey supers. I had just harvested honey, so no supers on at that time. I'll definitely shoot another video test of this thing using some of the tips; I'll post it both here and on my blog when I do.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    I just got mine. First thoughts... It seems to work ok with the sugar container vertical so it gravity feeds. You get a much more dense cloud of dust if you tap it every couple puffs so I'm thinking a screen that has wider openings may be in order. I did get a cloud of dust coming out the upper entrance or hole in the inner cover when applying it at the bottom entrance with just 20 or so puffs.

    Dosage... I'm really not sure the 1 cup per hive for the screen method applies for the duster. You would have to pump a lot on one hive to use the whole cup. I don't know if the fraction of a cup you get with 20-30 pumps is enough to be effective. It was coming out the top, but could have been more dense a cloud. I may try modifying the screen so it uses more sugar per pump. I need to do a few colonies on sticky boards to see if it is effective, though it may be difficult to tell as the mites are very light this year.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Yep, after watching my own video I can see I definitely need to hold the cannister vertically to aid gravity feed. And as you note, every time I tapped it a got a good cloud.

    The cup-per-hive was the recommendation that came with the instructions, I think. Again, as you say, I'm not sure that much is needed.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    This is something I have been thinking about for a while. Do you think the sugar dusting harms the larva that are in open cells?

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Quote Originally Posted by adgjoan View Post
    This is something I have been thinking about for a while. Do you think the sugar dusting harms the larva that are in open cells?
    I have been sugar dusting my bees for three years now and I have not seen any adverse effects. I believe if the powder sugar would harm the open brood you'd see a lot of larvae being dragged out after sugar dusting. So far I haven't seen that. I do the traditional dusting from above with a kitchen colander, but that bellow tool looks cool. Thanks for sharing the video.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    do you need to have a screened BB for the powder sugar treatment? I assume you do so the mites fall to the ground?

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Quote Originally Posted by kwest View Post
    do you need to have a screened BB for the powder sugar treatment? I assume you do so the mites fall to the ground?
    yes, that's the idea. I use SBB on all my hives, for mites, ventilation, and general hygiene.

    I use stands (because I have to control ants) so the mites don't "fall to the ground" but rather to the stand a few inches below, and they (presumably) can't make their way back up.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    When I was playing with my blower a few months ago, I figured it would take well over 200 pumps to move a cup of sugar.
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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    Quote Originally Posted by KQ6AR View Post
    When I was playing with my blower a few months ago, I figured it would take well over 200 pumps to move a cup of sugar.
    Whoa, really? At a pump a second I'm standing there for over three minutes? You're right, that seems absurd.

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    The question seems to be, if the amount of sugar used when pumping 20 or so times is enough. The directions that say 1 cup, might be wrong.

    Someday one of us will find the answer.
    Dan

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    Default Re: So, I gave one of those sugar bellows a try

    I keep hoping that you found the miracle machine. Remember that it has to pump 10X dust up thru a deep and 4 or 5 shallows and it has to be loaded quick for the mid-size beek who may work with 50 hives. I am not sure that I could pump 200 times 50 -- That is 10,000 pumps. Can these plastic imports hold up for that much.

    Seriously, we must have American inventors who can create a better mousetrap using better quality materials than what we are getting from our dealers. Does anyone know anyone who has the creative ingenious bug who can design such a sugar bellow pump. Can someone take a leaf blower that would extract dust from a bag to blow it from the top of the hive so that it dusts out the SBB. I am not mechanically inclined so it wouldn't be me.

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