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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Here's some more data on Insect Fat Body: Energy, Metabolisim and Regulation.

    Abstract
    Annual Review of Entomology
    Vol. 55 (Volume publication date January 2010)
    (doi:10.1146/annurev-ento-112408-085356)


    Review in Advance first posted online on September 2, 2009. (Minor changes may still occur before final publication online and in print.)
    Insect Fat Body: Energy, Metabolism, and Regulation

    Estela L. Arrese

    Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 74074; email: destela@okstate.edu


    Jose L. Soulages

    Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 74074; email: jose.soulages@okstate.edu


    The fat body plays major roles in the life of insects. It is a dynamic tissue involved in multiple metabolic functions. One of these functions is to store and release energy in response to the energy demands of the insect. Insects store energy reserves in the form of glycogen and triglycerides in the adipocytes, the main fat body cell. Insect adipocytes can store a great amount of lipid reserves as cytoplasmic lipid droplets. Lipid metabolism is essential for growth and reproduction and provides energy needed during extended nonfeeding periods. This review focuses on energy storage and release and summarizes current understanding of the mechanisms underlying these processes in insects.

    Expected final online publication date for the Annual Review of Entomology Volume 55 is December 03, 2009. Please see http://www.annualreviews.org/catalog/pubdates.aspx for revised estimates.

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    The above publication is one that I will buy!
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Ernie , do you have a current recipe for pollen sub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin harlton View Post
    Ernie , do you have a current recipe for pollen sub?
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Chef would be proud.

    For Whale Tail...


    Send it to me too Big Ern.
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    iis the separated yeast slurry from beer and wine making usable in bee feed?
    "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfarler View Post
    iis the separated yeast slurry from beer and wine making usable in bee feed?
    Yes, but it has to be deactived first. Alpha6 uses it. Do an advance search using his name to seach his post. He explains how he deactivates its.
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    Ernie , do you have a current recipe for pollen sub?

    I sure do!
    I have several formulas.
    Ernie
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Friday November 13, 2009


    A secondary application of feeding grease patties or oils:.

    I now fully believe that there is a strong correlation between the application of grease patties and or 8% oil content Pollen Substitutes and wintering success.
    The bees requirements for the oils or Crisco are for metabolism to prevent winter stress.
    Comments are welcomed
    Regards,
    Ernie
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    Big Grin Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    The bees requirements for the oils or Crisco are for metabolism to prevent winter stress.
    Comments are welcomed
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    Ernie
    Keep up the good work Ernie, we couldn't do it without you.
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    [QUOTE=BEES4U;477544]Friday November 13, 2009


    A secondary application of feeding grease patties or oils:.

    I now fully believe that there is a strong correlation between the application of grease patties and or 8% oil content Pollen Substitutes and wintering success.[QUOTE]

    Why 8%? What is magical about 8%?

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements
    Ernie , do you have a current recipe for pollen sub?

    I sure do!
    I have several formulas.
    Ernie

    and what would be your latest greatest formula

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Why 8%? What is magical about 8%?

    Please read some of my prior postings within this thread.
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    and what would be your latest greatest formula

    They all have a patent pending!
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Ernie's Research and Development:

    The spreadsheet, sourcing materials, time, money, field trials using my hives in research and development are not available.
    All of the above are 100% my domain.
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    Ernie, how many hives do you run and is this how you make your living with bees?? Also is your pollen sub for sale and if so how much would it cost for a truck load (40000lbs) Thanks Kenny

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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Also is your pollen sub for sale and if so how much would it cost for a truck load (40000 lbs) Thanks Kenny

    At this time I am not offering it for sale.
    If and when I market the mix I will post it in the For sale section of this forum.
    I would offer the mix with your requirements, like % crude protein 17.05%
    minimum.
    The cost would vary according to the protein contents.

    The trucking cost of 40,000 pounds would make the mix uneconomical for you.
    Thank you for your inquiry,

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    The trucking cost of 40,000 pounds would make the mix uneconomical for you.
    Thank you for your inquiry,

    Ernie
    Big Ernie, I ship to TX a long with, Mann Lake & Globle ect... Don't sell yourself short.

    P.S. You never know, the bees maybe RIGHT HERE IN CALIF. I just sent two semi loads to Merced, owned by a beekeeper from TX.
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    P.S. You never know, the bees maybe RIGHT HERE IN CALIF
    True.
    Very true.
    I have thought it over!
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I need to get my camera out, take some photos, and post the results of my feeding program for the bees.
    The feeding results are astonishing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
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    The feeding results are astonishing!
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    All right Big Ernie, breakem on out!
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    you maybe don't want them to peak to early, maybe swarm on you......let's see them boomers
    Last edited by irwin harlton; 12-07-2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason: info add

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