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  1. #201
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Nutra-Bee video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETLi3Jquor4&NR=1

    (No starving bees!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    If you want to "dump" your soy flour onto your bees, go ahead.
    But, it does not have all of the known essential amino acids for bee nutrition.
    Ernie
    That was kinda my point. I'm sorry if it wasn't that clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    I have addressed many of the other feed stuffs for nutrition.
    Keith and I have provided data that will answer your questions.
    They weren't questions, more like comments. You can't compare protein alone, or protein to dollars alone. I know full well that you are aware of that, I was just making sure others were clear.

    Although, the questions I did have (based on consistency, drying out, non-stick) were not answered in this thread (at least from what I remember, it's over 20 pages now). I've been adding type 55 corn syrup to the mixture (recommended in this thread), which helps with the drying out part, but makes it a very sticky mixture. If I then add more flour, it's not so sticky but way too thick. Still toying with it. Just commenting that I'm having a hard time getting it to Keith's consistency.

    No criticism to your work was intended Ernie. I'm a follower.

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Saturday, October 01, 2011.
    Updated Pollen Substitute R & D.
    The lab tests are in and here are the results.
    15.7% Protein
    49% Sugar
    6.31% Oil
    And, the bees are consuming their patties!
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    11/25/2012
    A reminder about the addition of oils in a pollen substitute.

    http://www.beeccdcap.uga.edu/documen...Article10.html
    3. Other Nutrition

    3.1. Sterols and Lipids

    A sterol, 24-methylene cholesterol, is common in pollen and is the major sterol source for honey bees. Nearly all insects need to obtain sterol from their diet because of their inability to synthesize them directly. Sterol is the precursor for important hormones such as molting hormone, which regulates growth because it is required at the time of each molt. It is not clear what other lipids are required by honey bees, but most likely normal consumption of pollen provides for all the lipid requirements. Pollen with low fat content is less likely to be consumed by honey bees, but can be made more attractive to bees with the addition of lipids. The total lipid concentration within a pollen supplement is recommended to be 5%–8%.
    Ernie
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    Big Grin Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    06/24/2015.
    Re-queening, making divides, feeding pollen supplements and Varroa control.

    Regards,
    Ernie
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    Welcome back Ernie.... where have you been?
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Welcome back Ernie.... where have you been?
    Trying to keep my bees alive low rainfall years has taken its toll on hive numbers and health.
    The El Nino kicked in recently
    I have been hard boiling eggs, separating yolks from whites as my source of yolks to be added to the pollen supplement. (The yolks are about 5% of the wet mix.) The bees are consuming the mix readily to date which makes me happy!
    Regards,
    Ernie

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    1/26/2016
    FYI: Pollen Supplements.
    I have been adding the following mix to my patties for the past 10 years.
    Additional Ascorbic Acid is added to preserve boiled egg yolks.

    Guaranteed Analysis per pound.
    1. Vitamin A 16,500,000 IU
    2. Vitamin D3 6,400,000 IU
    3. Vitamin E 11,000 IU
    4. Niacin 66,000 mg
    5. D-Pantothenic Acid 28,000 mg
    6. Ascorbic Acid 20,000 mg
    7. Riboflavin 6,600 mg
    8. MSBC 6,000 mg
    9. Thiamine 4,050 mg
    10. Pyridoxine 2,000 mg
    11. Folic Acid 840 mg
    12. Biotin 150 mg
    13. Vitamin B12 20 mg
    Regards,
    Ernie

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Specialkayme

    01/28/2016

    What % vegetable oil is in your mix?
    Try for about 7%.
    Regards,
    Ernie

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    2/9/2016.
    Re: The impact of different feeds on the length of bees.

    http://www.resistantbees.com/fotos/estudio/feeding.pdf (Contains many micro photos of the mid-gut).

    CONCLUSION
    Based on our research, it can be concluded that feeding with different food sources has different influence on the digestive tract of bees, especially in the midgut epithelial layer. Natural source of food for bees - honey had no harmful effects on the midgut epithelial layer, and the intestinal contents were completely attached to this layer, which leads to the quality of digestion and maximum nutrient resorption. Similar results were got when feeding bees with sugar syrup and enzyme inverted syrup without the addition of yeast and malt. This means that each addition of yeast and malt lead to damage to the midgut epithelial layer, and the differences arise, depending on food source. The most serious damage on the epithelial layer was found in midgut of bees fed with acidic invert syrup (in all examined combinations).
    Regarding the impact of different feed on the length of life of bees, it can be concluded that feeding with honey, enzyme invert sugar syrup had a positive effect on the life span of bees, while addition of brewer's yeast and wort shortens the life of bees, so recommendation is to use supplemental feeding without them, and that the use of these supplements should be more practiced during other seasons, especially if there is no natural pollen.
    Regards,
    Ernie

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Ernie, what do you use for your protein ?

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    Smile Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    February 10, 2016.
    Ian,
    My history of proteins.
    Brewer’s yeast, non-fat dried milk, and soy flour, 1975. ABC & XYZ of Bee Keeping.
    Brewer’s yeast, non-fat dried milk, dried egg yolks, and soy flour, 1980’s.
    Brewer’s yeast, soy isolate and dried egg yolks, 2006.
    MegaBee 2010.
    Brewer’s yeast and or MegaBee, 2013-2014.
    AP-23, late summer of 2015
    AP-23 + boiled egg yolks, 2016.
    Amino-B-Booster + Honey-B-Healthy, 2016,
    Currently I am working on liquid amino acids, all 10 EAA +, formula. So far it's tested out and the bees readily consume the material!
    Regards,
    Ernie
    Last edited by BEES4U; 02-10-2016 at 02:52 PM.

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