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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I believe Allen Dick encouraged people to use torula yeasr if they could, and he considered brewers yeast to be an inferior (but cheaper) substitute.
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    You may be right.

    Net protein digestibility and growth promoting values of Bakers, Brewers and Torula Yeast

    http://www.nfprotein.com/vijai/dx/torula-yeast
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Here's another source.

    Protein Bee Feeds and their economic use
    By Peter Stace
    The use of supplementary protein feeds for commercial bee keeping is not recommended unless there is a defined economic reason to have high performance hives. The margin of increase production is possibly 20-40% for honey production. Although, some strategic feeding when a high valued, high volume, but low pollen crop such as grey ironbark, or yellow box may give a higher return.
    A number of commercially available products are suitable as protein bee feeds. These products may be used by beekeepers to supplement the naturally collected pollen coming through the bee hive entrance. The feed products recommended are: defat and expeller press soy flour, brewers and torula yeast, irradiated pollen, pollard, white sugar, malt, irradiated honey, vegetable oil and vitamin additives.
    Each circumstance, due to floral sources and seasonal conditions will change the reason and the ingredients in a particular feeding situation.
    The particular feeds, their uses, and the effect on the hive is as follows.
    Torula or Brewers yeast are useful non floral protein for honey bees. These two yeasts are commercially available in either the dry form or in the case of Brewers yeast in a malt slurry. The crude protein content is 48-56%. Yeasts are good brood feed and stimulate breeding to occur. They are ideal in early spring or when the main task required of the bees is breeding, especially after a heavy honey flow or when package bees have been harvested. Yeasts have a problem in that they are expensive being $2-3 per kg.
    Due to this cost problem, yeast should only make up to 10% of the ration fed to bees.

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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Well, it took me a little while. This chart may clear up some thoughts about yeasts and their uses!

    Torula Yeast- The inactive primary yeast strain Candida utilis is grown on a wood sugar medium which is a by-product of paper production. Torula Yeast is a type of nutritional yeast, though not as high in nutrients as the others. Its blander taste lends itself for applications such as a flavouring in processed foods and pet foods.

    Yeast Extract Spreads- This savory food paste is made from Brewers Yeast and various spice and vegetable extracts. It is processed so that it results in a salty, smooth, yeasty flavoured paste. A common food condiment in Australia (Vegemite), New Zealand and Britan, it has found less popularity in North America. It shares a similar nutritional profile with Brewers Yeast.

    Nutritional Analysis of Inactive Yeasts per 16g (roughly 2TB)
    Red Star Veg Support Flake & Engevita Brewer's Torula
    Protein 8.34mg 7.41mg 8mg 8mg
    B1 9.6mg 0.43mg 1.4mg n/a
    B2 9.6mg 6.35mg 0.7mg 0.54mg
    B3 56mg 2.69mg 5.3mg 7.54mg
    B5 1.04mg 82.5mg 0.4mg 0.61mg
    B6 9.6mg 0.5mg 0.6mg 0.224mg
    B12 8mcg 4.46mcg 2mcg n/a
    Folic Acid 240mcg 88mcg 240mcg 0.042mg
    Calcium 11.2mg 13.84mg 59mg 0.011mg
    Iron 0.77mg 1.84mg 1.5mg n/a
    Potassium 320mg n/a 222mg n/a
    Chromium <0.5mcg n/a 60mcg n/a
    Zinc 3.2mg n/a 1.2mg 2.01mg
    Magnesium 20.8mg n/a 33mg 0.067mg
    Copper 0.128mg n/a 0.5mg 0.16mg

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    And, the winner is!

    Nutritional Analysis of Inactive Yeasts per 16g (roughly 2TB)

    Brewer's Torula
    Protein 8mg 8mg
    B1 1.4mg n/a
    B2 0.7mg 0.54mg
    B3 5.3mg 7.54mg
    B5 0.4mg 0.61mg
    B6 0.6mg 0.224mg
    B12 2mcg n/a
    Folic Acid 240mcg 0.042mg
    Calcium 59mg 0.011mg
    Iron 1.5mg n/a
    Potassium 222mg n/a
    Chromium 60mcg n/a
    Zinc 1.2mg 2.01mg
    Magnesium 33mg 0.067mg

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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Here's some interesting data on the nutrition of chicks that can/could be transfered to honey bees:

    SUMMARY
    Diets containing corn gluten meal, cottonseed meal or pea
    nut meal were fed to young chicks so that all the 20% crude
    protein
    of each diet was provided by one of these concentrates.
    Additions of various amino acids were made, and the effects
    on growth and efficiency of gain were noted.
    Corn gluten meal required the addition of arginine, lysine
    and tryptophane in order to increase the rate of growth from
    2% to slightly less than 6% per day. Cystine, glycine, methionine,
    threonine and valine were already present in adequate
    amounts.
    Supplementation of cottonseed meal with both methionine
    and lysine increased the growth rate from 4% to 1%. The
    methionine deficiency was found to be less marked than that
    of lysine,
    a result which was expected from amino acid
    analyses.
    Peanut meal is lacking primarily in methionine, but is also
    slightly deficient in lysine.

    It seems that the diet requirements of a chick is similar to the honey bee.

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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Monday, 19 October 09

    An update of the oils that I include in my Pollen supplements and Pollen substitutes.

    I decided to add a fourth oil to my Pollen Supplement and Pollen Substitute patties to even out their oil contents and provide the bees with a better selection of fatty acids and sterols.Please note that I am discussing oils and not fats because fats are solid at room temperatures and oils are liquid.
    I added the fourth oil 14 days ago and the bees consumed the patties completly.
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Is anyone aware of this protein source?
    hydrolysate /hy·drol·y·sate/ (hi-drol´ĭ-sāt) any compound produced by hydrolysis.
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    protein hydrolysate a mixture of amino acids prepared by splitting a protein with acid, alkali, or enzyme; used as a fluid and nutrient replenisher.


    Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

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    protein hydrolysate
    n.
    A sterile solution of amino acids and peptides prepared from a protein by acid or enzymatic hydrolysis and used intravenously for the maintenance of positive nitrogen balance in severe illness, after surgery of the alimentary tract, in the diets of infants allergic to milk, or as a high-protein dietary supplement.

    The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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    hydrolysate
    any compound produced by hydrolysis.

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    protein hydrolysate
    a mixture of amino acids prepared by splitting a protein with acid, alkali or enzyme. Such preparations provide the nutritive equivalent of the original material in the form of its constituent amino acids and are used in special diets or for patients unable to take the ordinary food proteins.
    Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
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    Here's a product lable.
    What's in Supplement Direct Whey Protein Hydrolysate?2 Lbs.
    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size1/3Cup(28.35g)
    Servings Per Container32

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

    Calories 105
    Calories From Fat 0
    Trans Fatty Acids 0mg
    Total Fat 0g
    Saturated Fat 0mg
    Monounsaturated Fat 0mg
    Polyunsaturated Fat 0mg
    Sodium 43mg
    Total Carbohydrate 1g
    Sugars 0g
    Protein 26g
    Vitamin A 0%
    Calcium 0%
    Vitamin C 2%
    Iron 0%

    * Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
    † Daily Value not established

    Ingredient
    Pure Multiple Reaction, Sequential, Enzymatic Hydrolyses.

    Comments?
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Nutritional Analysis of Brewers yeast per 16g (roughly 2TB)

    Brewer's
    Protein 8mg
    B1 1.4mg
    B2 0.7mg
    B3 5.3mg
    B5 0.4mg
    B6 0.6mg
    B12 2mcg
    Folic Acid 240mcg
    Calcium 59mg
    Iron 1.5mg
    Potassium 222mg
    Chromium 60mcg
    Zinc 1.2mg
    Magnesium 33mg

    After reading the above list, you can see why vitamins are added to the supplement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Nutritional Analysis of Brewers yeast per 16g (roughly 2TB)
    This is the lab analysis for the Diamond V brewers yeast. They offer a few different ones, but this is the most common stocked at the feed stores. At least around here. I have read that this is not the desired flake size, but it can be but though a grinder to get desired size.

    The analysis is per pound.

    http://www.diamondv.com/products/pro...04_XP_3-04.pdf
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    STUCK KEYThis is the lab analysis for the Diamond V brewers yeast.

    Thanks for the information. I will add it to my notes.
    Crude protein, not less than 12% means that you have to bump the % higher with something.
    makes me happy to get my 40% brewers yeast from Los Angeles Honey Company!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Crude protein, not less than 125 means that you have to bump the % higher with something.
    Yeah I was looking at the Soy isolate to bump up the %, or eggs since I get those free.
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Yeah I was looking at the Soy isolate to bump up the %, or eggs since I get those free.

    I have a stuck key and the % did not strike
    Pure Soy Isolate is 90% crude protein and it the 3rd item listed in many "muscle building' diet foods.
    Dried egg yolks are about 37% crude protein and they add some very essential cholesterols.
    Myself, I would use them both to cover the protein needs of the bees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Yeah I was looking at the Soy isolate to bump up the %, or eggs since I get those free.

    I have a stuck key and the % did not strike
    Pure Soy Isolate is 90% crude protein and it the 3rd item listed in many "muscle building' diet foods.
    Dried egg yolks are about 37% crude protein and they add some very essential cholesterols.
    Myself, I would use them both to cover the protein needs of the bees.
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    Ernie
    Thanks for all the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Dried egg yolks are about 37% crude protein and they add some very essential cholesterols.
    Ernie
    FYI Big Ernie, Dried egg, 45% protein 40% fat.
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    Big Grin Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Bacon & eggs, now were loggin Hambone.
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    Nutritional data For:
    Eggs, Dried, Yolks

    Nutrition and Calories in Egg Yolk (Dried)
    Water content (grams per 100g) 2.95
    Calorie content of Food (kcals per 100g/3.5oz) 666

    Protein content (grams per 100g) 34.25


    Fat content (lipids) (grams per 100g) 55.8

    Ash content (grams per 100g) 3.4
    Carbohydrate content (grams per 100g) 3.6
    Dietary Fiber content (grams per 100g) 0
    Sugar content (grams per 100g) 3.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Bacon & eggs, now were loggin Hambone.
    I could probably use the drippings instead of Canola oil to raise the fat %
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    This might be dumb, but I am going to ask anyway. I searched and did not see anything on it. I was feeding my baby this morning and was mixing her cereal. Noticed the flakes and was thinking this might be used instead of brewers yeast. Price wise it's about $3 per pound. (Cheaper than the b.y. at the health stores) Don't know if they can digest it though? The fat and protien would need to be bumped too. The Nutrition Facts is % Daily Value and not grams or mg's per. I can probably get that though.

    List of ingredients:

    OAT FLOUR, TRI– AND DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE,SOY OIL-LECITHIN, MIXED TOCOPHEROLS (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), ELECTROLYTIC IRON, ZINC SULFATE, ALPHA TOCOPHERYL ACETATE (VITAMIN E), NIACINAMIDE (A B VITAMIN), PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), FOLIC ACID (A B VITAMIN),VITAMIN B12 (CYANOCOBALAMIN)

    Nutrition Facts

    http://www.gerber.com/Products/Singl...-8f5a3c73bb4e#
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    This is the lab analysis per 4 tablespoons of Gerber Single Grain Oatmeal. Which is basically Oat Flour with added nutrients.

    Total lipid (fat) 1 g
    Carbohydrate, by difference 10 g
    Fiber, total dietary 1 g
    Sugars, total 2 g
    Calcium, Ca 150 mg
    Iron, Fe 8.1 mg
    Phosphorus, P 150 mg
    Potassium, K 50 mg
    Zinc, Zn 3 mg
    Thiamin 0.375 mg
    Riboflavin 0.5 mg
    Niacin 5 mg
    Vitamin B-6 0.5 mg
    Vitamin B-12 1.5 mcg
    Vitamin E, added 4.5 m

    From the ABJ: Volumes 14-15 Page 559

    Feeding Flour.

    Question : Is it advisable to use rye flour in the spring ?

    Geo. Bischoff. My bees are very fond of it; they got so that they looked for it every time I came into the yard. Some think it is injurious.

    II. Brown. 1 have never fed rye ; I take sugar syrup and stir in wheat flour until it is quite thick, then let it cool till it is hard, like candy, in pans. I then turn these pans over the frames, under the quilts.

    J. W. Barlow. I use oat and rye flour, oat flour and corn meal together ; -the bees used bushels of it.

    W. F. Bell. I like the unbolted rye flour best; 1 fed 160 Ibs. of it last spring, about February.

    E. C. Crane. Have fed rye and corn meal I think they rear brood faster with it.
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