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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    ROYAL JELLY ANALYSIS

    This report gives us the constituens of royal jelly and their micrograms per 1 gram.

    on analyzing royal jelly found that it is rich in proteins and vitamins of the B complex and especially in pantothenic acid,

    The Banting Institute of Ontario, on analyzing royal jelly found that it is rich in proteins and vitamins of the B complex and especially in pantothenic acid, the vitamin B which has been associated with longevity and in restoring gray hair to its original color. The United States Department of Agriculture has said that one gram (1/30 oz.) contains the following:

    Vitamin B1 (Thiamin )-1.5 to 7.4 micrograms

    Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)-5.3 to 10.0 micrograms

    Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)-2.2 to 10.2 micrograms

    Niacin (Nicotinic acid)-91.0 to 149.0 micrograms

    Pantothenic Acid-65.0 to 200.0 micrograms

    Biotin-0.9 to 3.7 micrograms

    Inositol-78.0 to 150.0 micrograms

    Folic Acid-0.16 to 0.50 micrograms

    Vitamin C-a trace

    Vitamin E-none
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Here's one source of Inositol:

    TWINLAB
    INOSITOL CAPS
    CRYSTALLINE PURE DIETARY SUPPLEMENT
    500 mg CAPSULES.
    $15.00/100 caplets. = 0.15/caplet.
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    Last edited by BEES4U; 08-23-2009 at 06:53 AM. Reason: math
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    $15.00/100 caplets! = $1.50/caplet

    $0.15 /caplet, not $1.50.


    Also, check eBay prices:

    Inositol - 750mg 100 capsules $10.48 and Free Shipping $0.10 /capsule. http://cgi.ebay.com/Jarrow-Inositol-...d=p3286.c0.m14

    Probiotic Capsules - 120 caps $20.52 incl shipping. $0.17 /capsule. http://cgi.ebay.com/Food-Science-of-...d=p3286.c0.m14

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    $0.15 /caplet, not $1.50.
    Oops. I hit my diet to much today. Thanks for catching the mistake I will do an edit.
    Thanks for the information!
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I am picking up 100 gallons of Type 55 corn syrup this Wednesday to be used in my Pollen Supplement Patties.
    I will post the cost per pound later.
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I picked up 1,290 pounds of the Type 55 at $0.31/Lb.
    Ernie
    Last edited by JohnK and Sheri; 02-13-2010 at 05:59 PM. Reason: unnec quote
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    It's a wise person that can take data applied in one area/application and transfer/apply it to another/new area like honeybees!

    I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I think one area that people often demand the best feeds are pets. People often pamper their pets, and ignore the economic aspects, simply trying to baby their pet out of love. (Many folks consider a pet to be a part of the family.)

    I happened to glance at the bag of cat food I feed my cat. This is Special Kitty Original blend dry cat food, sold by WalMart for about $10 for an 18 pound bag.

    Guaranteed Analysis
    Crude Protein (min) 34.00%
    Crude Fat (min) 11.00%
    Crude Fiber (max) 4.50%
    Moisture (max) 10.00%
    Linoleic Acid (min) 1.25%
    Arachidonic Acid (min) 0.02%
    Calcium (min) 1.00%
    Phosphorus (min) 0.80%
    Selenium (min) 0.30mg/kg
    Vitamin A (min) 10,000IU/kg
    Vitamin E (min) 70IU/kg
    Taurine (min) 0.15%

    Ingredients
    Chicken by-product meal, ground yellow corn, corn gluten meal, ground wheat, soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), brewers rice, natural flavor (chicken and fish), brewers dried yeast, sodium bisulfate, calcium carbonate, salt, potassium chloride, monocalcium,phosphate, choline chloride, taurine, fish meal, iron oxide, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, manganous oxide, thiamine mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), riboflavin supplement (source of vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), sodium selenite, folic acid, calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate.

    I have a small grist mill, and it wouldn't be difficult to turn cat food (or dog or horse or rabbit pellets) into a flour you could mix with sugar syrup to make a protein patty.

    Has anyone ever tried using pet feed to make protein patties? If so, how did it work for them?

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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    31 August 2009
    I bought my Probiotics today.

    Providing 3 Billion CFY
    It contains 3 Lactobacillus and
    4 Bifidobacterium species
    The formula is getting better.
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Ingredients
    Chicken by-product meal, ground yellow corn, corn gluten meal, ground wheat, soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), brewers rice, natural flavor (chicken and fish), brewers dried yeast, sodium bisulfate, calcium carbonate, salt, potassium chloride, monocalcium,phosphate, choline chloride, taurine, fish meal, iron oxide, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, manganous oxide, thiamine mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), riboflavin supplement (source of vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), sodium selenite, folic acid, calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate.

    Here's a an old ratio:
    3:1
    Where the 3 is soy flour and the 1 is brewers yeast.
    HFCS will make your patties more attractive to the bees and it prevent drying out because it's hygroscoptic like honey.

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I bought my Probiotics today.

    Where did you get them, and how much did you pay? I purchased 2 bottles of these http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT the other day. With shipping I got 240 capsules for $39.49. Sixteen and a half cents each capsule.
    They are 5 billion CFU total, plus 220mg of fructo oligosaccharides
    Lacto acidophilus 1.25 billion
    Lacto rhamnosus 1 billion
    Bifido lactis 750 million
    Lacto casei 500 million
    Bifido breve 500 million
    Bifido longum 500 million
    Bifido bifidum 250 million
    Streptococcus thermophilus 250 million

    How do you feed the probiotics to the bees? So far, my method is pulling apart the capsule, and dumping the powder contents into syrup I am feeding to weak hives. Would it be better to mix the probiotic powder into patties?

    What rate should we be giving to the bees? (Or are we still at the guessing stage?) I have been using a whole capsule per hive when feeding.

    Here's a an old ratio:
    3:1
    Where the 3 is soy flour and the 1 is brewers yeast.
    HFCS will make your patties more attractive to the bees and it prevent drying out because it's hygroscoptic like honey.


    I have never made patties. Is there a specific ratio I add HFCS, or do I just mix it to cookie dough consistency?

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    http://www.mannlakeltd.com/publicati...009/page29.pdf

    Does anyone have some information about these two Mann Lake products:
    Pro-Len a feeding stimulent
    and
    Pro Health a digestive boost.

    Thank you,
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    Do I mix all the dry ingredients into the Type 55 HFCS and then the oils. (Corn oil and Canola oil.)
    or, as they do in baking: add the oil into the dry ingredients 1st
    Comments?
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I like to combine all the dry ingredients in the mixer then gradually add the wet ones until the desired consistency is obtained. The syrup can very a little but I get the same amount of oil in every batch.
    John B Jacob www.oldsolbees.com

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    I like to combine all the dry ingredients in the mixer

    Thank you for the information.
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    Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    06 September 2009
    My recent and updated pollen supplement formula comes in at 22% crude protein!

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    06 September 2009
    My recent and updated pollen supplement formula comes in at 22% crude protein!

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    HI Ernie, 22% good for you! Is that the sub that you made with egg?


    PS.... is the water hot yet.
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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    HI Ernie, 22% good for you! Is that the sub that you made with egg?

    Yes.
    I added eggs to give the bees a diversified pollen supplement.
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Hey Ernie,

    got those eggs cooking yet???? I'm getting hungry. lol
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Good morning Keith,
    got those eggs cooking yet?

    I have another batch to boil in a few days. It seems odd to not make them into deviled eggs!
    I understand that you sell dried eggs.
    What is the price/sack to make a minimum purchase?
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    Default Re: Meeting Bee Nutritional Requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Good morning Keith,
    got those eggs cooking yet?

    I have another batch to boil in a few days. It seems odd to not make them into deviled eggs!
    I understand that you sell dried eggs.
    What is the price/sack to make a minimum purchase?
    Ernie
    Ernie, I don't sell egg at this time. You however have a good method with FRESH egg.
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

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