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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    I agree with A2 Bee Man, Long Creek done screwed up and needs to face up and admit it. I know several ppl "personally" who was in the same situation, they ordered some packages and they never arrived, they tried to call no answer, they tried to email no reply back. One of the customers i know will be waiting for his delivery to arrive in the mail June 29th even though it was suppose to of been June 8th! I told him not to hold his breath!! HAHAHA But im glad some ppl are satisfied cause the ones i have heard speak up this yr arent to satisfied at all! And if the bees was gonna be late the customers should of "atleast" been notified but they wasnt!!

  2. #102
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Last year I ordered and paid for a package from David Winters / Long Creek Apiaries. ($80 plus shipping.) When he failed to supply one, after many delays, problems, emails, etc., I agreed to take one this year which he promised would be shipped before any of his 2010 orders.

    This year he has promised, explained, and delayed and still I have nothing from him. I wait days for any response to emails and he has never returned a phone call. I am frustrated!

    To top it off, now he says he has no record of my order!

    I appreciate that this is livestock and things happen, but after more than a year, lousy communication, and now "no record" I need to go public so others may be adequately warned.

    (This is the second individual in the beekeeping business who has utterly failed thus far to fulfill what was promised during the two years I have been keeping bees. The beekeepers I know personally are honest, upstanding and trustworthy. The ones I have dealt with from a distance have been much less so. Is this a pattern? I certainly hope not.)

    Regardless, I wish I had seen this thread before I sent him my hard-earned money. (A fool and his money are soon parted!)

  3. #103
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by handyman dave View Post
    To top it off, now he says he has no record of my order!
    Sounds really familiar!

  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by handyman dave View Post

    To top it off, now he says he has no record of my order!
    As Paul Harvey would say "here is the rest of the story". What I said was I did not see his order on my computer. As I also explained, I am in the process of migrating everything from windows to linux and it is possible that his order got misplaced in the shuffle of moving everything. I never said I couldn't find his order or his order didn't exist.

    It seems that certain individuals love to capture a "sound bite" to distort the truth. Sounds a lot like our politicians in Washington (sorry that is quite a low blow)! I think that this thread will continue long after Long Creek no longer exists.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The board of directors of Long Creek Apiaries, Inc. informally voted to liquidate assets to refund money for unfilled orders and to exchange single hives for packages whenever it is possible. A motion to liquidate all assets and dissolve the company was tabled until after the single hives are sold and debts are paid or no later than October 30, 2010. I think for tax purposes, any dissolution was occur on December 31, 2010. The board feels that even if the company emerges from these difficulties financially intact, the image has been so damaged in the internet community it can not continue operations. Again, that decision will be made at the next board meeting. Any formal filing for bankruptcy will be based on the financial situation of the company at the next board meeting.

    Personally, I will find retirement a strange new experience that I look forward to after 45 years of hard, unappreciated work. RIP Long Creek.

  5. #105
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by greengecko View Post
    The risk is that at some point one of the following may likely happen. The supplier will close shop, taking all the remaining back order payments with them. The business will collapse under its own weight as payments for future orders slow and the supplier starts having problems paying out the promised returns. Such liquidity issues often increase as more customers start asking for their money.
    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The board of directors of Long Creek Apiaries, Inc. informally voted to liquidate assets to refund money for unfilled orders and to exchange single hives for packages whenever it is possible. A motion to liquidate all assets and dissolve the company was tabled until after the single hives are sold and debts are paid or no later than October 30, 2010. I think for tax purposes, any dissolution was occur on December 31, 2010. The board feels that even if the company emerges from these difficulties financially intact, the image has been so damaged in the internet community it can not continue operations. Again, that decision will be made at the next board meeting. Any formal filing for bankruptcy will be based on the financial situation of the company at the next board meeting.

    Personally, I will find retirement a strange new experience that I look forward to after 45 years of hard, unappreciated work. RIP Long Creek.

  6. #106
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    It will, and you can continually make excuses for yourself and say he said she said instead of just admitting that YOU and LC AP is shabby on Customer Service and made a huge mistake and overpromised in the market....OR...you can continue to try and defend something that the BBB and the rest of us already know. Personally it is sad that you go out like this and the unappreciated retirement you refer to above, well, you said it, so part of ya has to believe it. If it were me, Id sell everyting i have and give it to the hundreds of people who have complained for the last couple of years...but hey....i didn't buy from ya!

    Dev
    "You laugh at me because I am different, but I laugh at you because you are all the same."

  7. #107
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    It sounds much like Greengecko might think he "told you so" but it is interesting that he didn't quote the total content. Again, another "sound bite". The reason for closing is not to take people's money but to repay everyone leaving Long Creek without means to operate. The hostile environment is only a part of the picture. If you notice, when I pressured A2Man for the names of the other apiaries in Tennessee that he stated he got bees on time, NO RESPONSE. One of those things that you make you go "Hmm". Misleading at the very least.

  8. #108
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Oh, I forgot. Don't break your arms patting yourself on the back!

  9. #109
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    Some folks are good beekeepers, some folks are good businessmen. You need to be both. I hope you are a good beekeeper is all I have to say.

    Your first mistake was keeping money for extended periods of time without delivering product. Even if you know in your heart that you plan to deliver the goods or refund the money at some ambiguous future date - your customer can't be reasonably expected to wait. Give them back their money, they need the bees or they need their money back to buy elsewhere.

    And the haughty attitude of your posts (like this one) on here did you no favors. If I sent you several hundred dollars and got neither bee's nor product for months on end, I'd expect you on here on bended knee apologizing and promising the product or refund immediately. And if you didn't have the ability to do either - then see the first two sentences of this post. You don't belong in business and I guess you finally saw the light.

    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    Oh, I forgot. Don't break your arms patting yourself on the back!

  10. #110
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Beemaster01,

    Why don't you do yourself a big favor and simply stop responding to the postings here. Deal with the people who trusted their money with you via email or snail-mail.

    If you continue to do business, I think you might want to sell to people who are willing to drive to your location to pickup their bees. I suspect that the beekeepers within driving distance of you have had fewer complaints...
    BeeCurious
    Trying to think inside the box...

  11. #111
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    You know, its sad to see ya hold the attitude that you do. you stated 45 years... Well it seems that you have allowed the difficult customers to bring your view about people down, which in turn affects your attitude towards other customers. This carries over into your work, and when things don't go the way you expect such as bees being ready, instead of letting customers know whats happening, (pretty simple do a mass email to all customers) you just let them hang and let them get angry and start calling you which affects the attitude even more.

    Come on, this isn't rocket science. But you are right, if your fed up with beekeeping and the business, its best that ya retire.

    I can guaranteed ya, that if you tried, you could change the negative into positive and all it would take is some prompt response to customers.

    I've seen a lot of angry customers on here, and everytime i see a post, you come up with a "myside". Why not appologize and offer them a reasonable solution. It doesn't matter if your right. What matters is the fallout from negative comments.

    There are some customers that yeah you don't want to deal with them. I have my solution, make them happy, then never do business with them again. In the end you come out ahead by completing the contract with them and putting them on a list of no dealing for the future.

  12. #112
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    AGAIN beemaster....customer service....one day you will realize the downfall of Longcreek was noone but your own fault. The name it got was noone but your fault....the board....thats laughable as well.
    "You laugh at me because I am different, but I laugh at you because you are all the same."

  13. #113
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Don't look at the number of posts, look at the number of people posting. There is a link here where you can see how many times a person posts here and the total number of people posting. Beesource is the "spin zone" and that is a fact. Any reasonable person who reads the posts can see that whatever I post, it is spun in a negative way. Sorry, I call as I see it.

  14. #114
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    This guy is amazing . . . . . and it's almost worth the abysmal experience doing business with him just for the entertainment value of reading his silly posts. BTW . . . if you want to order excellent Russians from an excellent and RELIABLE beekeeping business, try Simpson's Bee Supply. All of my Russian packages were delivered on time and are building up beautifully. Plus . . . their customer service is impeccable.

  15. #115
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    If you were holding MY money and not sending bees then I really wouldn't care how many people got their money back or got their bees. This logic doesn't fly. If the original poster is correct - then it was logical for him to assume you had stolen his money. I'd go after you too - in every way I could.

    I heard a story about a man and his son walking on a beach. His son was picking up living sand-dollars and throwing them as hard as he could into the ocean - no doubt killing the creature. His father stopped him - the son said but Dad, there a millions of them, who cares if I kill them. His dad said, the sand-dollar you are killing cares.

    Take care of your customers and you won't have to combat them. I've yet hear a good reason as to why you think it's OK to keep money, provide no product and have little to no communication. Like the original poster, I would assume that my money was stolen. Why can't you see that.

    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    Don't look at the number of posts, look at the number of people posting. There is a link here where you can see how many times a person posts here and the total number of people posting. Beesource is the "spin zone" and that is a fact. Any reasonable person who reads the posts can see that whatever I post, it is spun in a negative way. Sorry, I call as I see it.

  16. #116
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    "Originally Posted by handyman dave: To top it off, now he says he has no record of my order!"

    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    As Paul Harvey would say "here is the rest of the story". What I said was I did not see his order on my computer. As I also explained, I am in the process of migrating everything from windows to linux and it is possible that his order got misplaced in the shuffle of moving everything. I never said I couldn't find his order or his order didn't exist.
    Here is his entire, uncut and unedited, actual message received on 6/22. Judge for yourself about the "rest of the story".

    I can't find an order for you. Are you wanting to place an order? We aren't taking any more orders for packages this year. Sorry.

    Obvious, blatant prevarication IMO.

    I will gladly report when I receive my refund, now 15 months missing, but I am not holding my breath.
    Last edited by handyman dave; 06-26-2010 at 08:13 AM. Reason: Getting quote correctly formatted.

  17. #117
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    Beemaster............with 45 years of experience under your belt it is sad to see you retire, I have never been to you apiary, but you must have a fairly large set up. Sounds to me like you yourself need to concentrate on working the bees and let someone else run the front office for you.

    Sounds kind of sad for all involved on both sides of the fence.

    G3

  18. #118
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    Just this morning I received a message on my voicemail from David Winters / LCA. He cheerfully advised me that my package has shipped and should arrive Monday.
    If this proves to be true I will be relieved.
    I will keep you posted.

  19. #119
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    If you are in the East TN area, I suggest getting bees from K&K bee supply in Jonesborough. The have provided me with customer service, support and great products.

    Mr. Winter -- The only reason you have very few problems locally is because people can actually do something about it. I called in June 2008 to pick up my package of bees from you. You stalled up until July, and by that time it was too late. You have used every excuse under the sun with these people and many more that have not complained here. and do not even think about sending a PM to see what my real name is -- it just might surprise you to who I am.

    On a side note, I did contact the TN state Apiarist Mike Studer by phone. You blatantly lied again. You are not the only registered package producer in the state. There is one near Knoxville AND Centerville that i can at the moment remeber..

    And according to the TN Apiary Law of 1995 which was posted on your website as well as elsewhere, I shall point all people interested to Section 9 a of stated law

    SECTION 9. (A) No bees may be sold, offered for sale, moved, or transported, shipped or delivered within the state, unless they have been inspected by an appropriate official of the state and certified to be apparently free of infectious or contagious regulated bee diseases and pests in accordance with rules and regulations promulgated under this chapter.

    I will post a link to the version that the state has as soon as I can find it. I wouldn't be surprised if that particular page just suddenly disappeared.

    Another lie that can be busted is that LCA is a two person operation, the owner and the son. It is not a corporate operation at all, just incorporated so that if the corporation gets sued, then he won't loose any money as the goal is to keep the corporation broke.

    It would be fun to print this out and or email this whole page to members of local associations...... but I will refrain from that kind of act.

  20. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionBee View Post
    If you are in the East TN area, I suggest getting bees from K&K bee supply in Jonesborough. The have provided me with customer service, support and great products.
    I agree. Ken is a good person. Mickey Hardeman is a good breeder. Ken has a standing order for packages from Hardeman Apiaries and can get them early.

    On a side note, I did contact the TN state Apiarist Mike Studer by phone. You blatantly lied again. You are not the only registered package producer in the state. There is one near Knoxville AND Centerville that i can at the moment remeber..
    Technically that is true. Any beekeeper in Tennessee that has been inspected by Mike can sell package bees, nucs, etc. So there potentially could be many registered, qualified or however you want to state it. Here is outside link to the Tennessee Apiary Law of 1995: http://www.michie.com/tennessee/lpEx...=templates&2.0

    Everyone here is great!!! I don't think I will quit after all. There is just too much work to be done breeding the ultimate bee. I just can't let a few people cheat many beekeepers out of good bees After all, where else can everyone have so much FUN.

    The rest of the post, I will not qualify it with a response
    Last edited by beemaster01; 06-27-2010 at 01:47 PM. Reason: Additional information

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