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  1. #321
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Come on guys- stop with the personal attacks.

    If you have had a personal experience, good or bad, with a company being discussed, this is the forum to report it. If you are jumping on the bandwagon just to make accusations and insult others, then keep it where it belongs- to yourself.
    So many weeds.......so little time.

  2. #322
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    What have you lost Dragonfly? I have lost over $700.00

  3. #323
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    This is my final posting. I have lost money but more importantly, I have lost all confidence in doing any further business via the internet or mail concerning bee packages or queens.

  4. #324
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodeo View Post
    What have you lost Dragonfly? I have lost over $700.00
    I understand that. Have you posted that information?
    So many weeds.......so little time.

  5. #325
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    I understand that. Have you posted that information?
    dragonfly, rodeo did post the info;

    rodeo's posts 318, 319 and 320:

    "I paid for eight three pound packages of Russian bees in 2008 and have still not received anything but a bunch of BS. David Winters will cash your check and deliver nothing but empty promises. The sooner he goes out of busniss the better. All I can say is stay away."

    "If anyone has any idea how to take actual legal action against LCA that won't cost an arm and a leg, please let me know. I'm from Missouri and so far the only recourse has been the BBB, who can't do anything and the Department of Commerce and Insurance through the Tennessee Division of Consumer Affairs who can't force Winters to do the right thing. I am super frustrated and really angery about this. He owes me over $700.00."

    "There would be no problem if the money that was paid in good faith for merchandise that was never delivered were returned."




  6. #326
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    There is no reason for me to post to this thread as they will just get deleted. Like this one will.

  7. #327
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    I ordered two packages this spring and have received the standard 10% refund, so don't delete my post.

    After following this thread for a while (too late), there are a couple of thoughts I would like to share.

    1. Man, was I stupid for sending a check for the full amount to LCA. Should have seen the warning signs. No credit card processing, needing full amount. Taught me the lesson of doing research before sending money. I'm old enough that I should have known better.

    2. I understand some of the problems that LCA has experienced are uncontrollable and unpredictable. Farming is like that. What is different in this case, it seems, is that LCA "customers" were actually "investors", risking their capital with a payoff of bees. Most farmers do not require their customers to share the capital risk of raising the product, maybe bees are different, but I suspect not.

    3. Complaints from LCA that this forum is forcing him in to bankruptcy may be true, but the experience of LCA's "investors" and their poor return is fact. "Investors" sharing that fact with potential other "investors" is part of the free market system. Turning "investors" back into "customers" seems to be the only way out but probably too late. I have seem numerous post from customers who have received bees and were happy with the product.

    4. This spring I ordered two nucs from a local commercial producer who also experienced weather issues and then queen quality issues. I was sent three emails a week before each projected delivery date informing me and others of the situation. On the third email, the company offered a full refund of my DEPOSIT which I requested and promptly received. Totally opposite experience compared to LCA. I will be ordering from them next year.

    5. This thread probably ought to be closed to new comments soon. Time to move on and plan for next year.

  8. #328
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    A business does not go bankrupt because of a forum thread. Bankruptcy can be a result of factors beyond the business' control such as weather, market dynamics, etc. But the most common cause is failure to tend to business. If long creek apiaries is indeed going down the tubes, then the problem resides at long creek apiaries, not with this forum and certainly not with the very real purchasers who have been stiffed.

    DarJones
    NW Alabama, 47 years, 22 colonies and growing, sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 14 frame square Dadant broodnest

  9. #329
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post
    A business does not go bankrupt because of a forum thread.
    I'm not picking sides because I don't know this man or his burdens, But I think the INTERNET has much more power than you think.....heard of the Arab spring (INTERNET helped it be successful)
    Honeydew

  10. #330
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    My point Honeydew is that if the business had been run as a business, then there never would have been a forum thread.

    DarJones
    NW Alabama, 47 years, 22 colonies and growing, sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 14 frame square Dadant broodnest

  11. #331
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by HONEYDEW View Post
    I'm not picking sides because I don't know this man or his burdens, But I think the INTERNET has much more power than you think.....heard of the Arab spring (INTERNET helped it be successful)
    A person could get together with five or six of his friends, register with various names on beesource and start a thread on beesource. Twenty or thirty bystanders would jump in with their comments multiple times, register complaints with the BBB (it takes only three to get a bad rating), and with links to the business tied to that thread all over the internet, that business is toast. Far fetched? Not at all if you add entire blogs devoted to the subject repeating everything over and over and links all over the web to these pages. Unfortunately, if there is many pages and many comments from different people, the uninformed reader KNOWS it is ALL TRUE.

  12. #332
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    I find it a bit surprising that the news is not getting spread even faster. Evidence right there alone that the internet is not that powerful of a tool. People are still placing orders with you.

  13. #333
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    I find it a bit surprising that the news is not getting spread even faster. Evidence right there alone that the internet is not that powerful of a tool. People are still placing orders with you.
    Another bystander with a comment to support what I said. We have never accepted orders this early. All reader need to do is look at the webpage.

  14. #334
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    But you took orders this past spring, without filling previous orders or refunding money.
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

  15. #335
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Maybe it is time to awaken this post and David Winters on this cold winter morning, as I plan and budget for the coming beekeeping season. David, do you really anticipate sending a full refund, to all of us who you owe refunds to, as you have stated over and over again? there is nothing like receiving a late christmas gift that you have wished for, for years on end,I'm still checking my mailbox every day for that postmark from Parrotsville, Tenn.

  16. #336
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiaries

    I plan to pay everyone back. I have decided to go one more year and take all profits and apply to those I owe and then go from there. Otherwise somewhere between 15-20% of the owed will be paid. Everyone wins.

  17. #337
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    It seems that Long Creek is doing well after all. I typed in a search for Russian Package Bees and found that he is taking orders for 2012. I hope that means it all got sorted out with refunds and bee deliveries.......
    Last edited by Lauren; 02-06-2012 at 12:46 PM. Reason: missing intended sarcasm.

  18. #338
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    How does one know if they will be getting a full refund or the packages that they ordered?

  19. #339
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    You don't know. and the odds are, based on past history, you should just kiss your money good bye. And if anyone orders bees from them, well, I have a bridge here in Butler County, MO, I'd like to sell you.
    Regards,
    Steven
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

  20. #340
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiaries

    Sounds like the tone here is that I should quit, liquidate, and distribute whatever money there is. In that case you can expect 15-20% of what is owed to you. Otherwise, stay viable one year and and everyone gets paid everything assuming this thread doesn't prevent enough business to pay 100%. Hey lets have a survey! Option 1 as stated above which is quit, etc. or Option 2 stay viable etc.

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