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  1. #201
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Yep, taking people's money and not sending them what they bought and not refunding their money is plain and simple fraud. You can talk all you want about why it happened, excuses, and intentions for future repayment, blah blah blah, but it doesn't change the basic fact that it's criminal fraud.
    The little bee returns with evening's gloom,
    To join her comrades in the braided hive... -Tennyson

  2. #202
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Hello David, After reading your post stating your goals for the 2011 season I assumed that I would be at the top of your list for a refund from a package order from 3/5/2009. I'm still looking in my mailbox every day for that refund, just a reminder 30 days after my last post

  3. #203
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    I think by this time you know that the money is gone. Unfortunately, this happens all too often not only with agriculture but in all industries. As a retired law enforcement officer, I can echo what applepollinator said. File the complaint and if enough are filed both the state and the FBI will file criminal charges. The beauty of the federal charge is that the more complaints filed equal multiple counts. In addition, as a citizen, you do have the right to appear before a federal magistrate and swear out a federal complaint against the individual. It may not lead to an arrest warrant, but will generate a referral to a United States Attorney for review and consideration. If enough people do it, someone will take notice. It's the only way to get these folks off the street.

  4. #204
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    Like grizbee, I have been in relentless pursuit to recover my money. I may never see it, and I have spent countless hours pursuing every avenue available, including hiring an attorney or two. I have been receiving emails and phone calls, for over a year from hundreds of beekeepers all across the United States. Based on the content of these emails, David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries owes hundreds of beekeepers a very substantial amount of money. In addition, David Winters continues to take orders and money from unsuspecting beekeepers. My opinion, but they wonít see their money and they wonít see their bees based on his history.

    Swearing out a federal complaint requires that the complaint be sworn out and filed in the state of Tennessee, and that you also make yourself available to the court if charges are filed. This costs money and a lot of time. I live in the Midwest, and this is not a practical alternative for me or most other beekeepers.

    The Tennessee Division of Consumer Affairs has been receiving complaints about David Winters for over a year. The most important thing we can do for ourselves, and others is to file a complaint with this office, and follow up with the agent assigned to your case. I have been doing it for a year, and I have been asking for prosecution not mediation. This is how it works, if enough complaints are received, the Tennessee Div of Consumer Affairs has the power to refer our complaints to the Tennessee Attorney General, for investigation, and prosecution. If David Winters is investigated, and if David Winters is prosecuted, the court may order restitution. See here: Protecting Consumers

    Btw, filing bankruptcy does not discharge anyone from criminal activity.

    David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries owes me $740.00, for an order I placed on February 23, 2010. I have been demanding a refund since June 29, 2010. 10 months and 15 days, no refund. Many of you are in line way ahead of me on this.

    David Winters said his goal here is to pay us all back. I donít believe this either, and I donít believe some of his incredible excuses I have heard from him during the past year. I suggest David Winters go to the bank and borrow the money like a lot of us did to pay him. Money I paid him, and money I am paying interest on.

  5. #205
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    I hope that I don't turn out to be another one who got ripped off. Before reading about Long Creek on this website, I ordered five packages of Russian bees. According to his website, the only delay is for the week of May 9th by one week. The rest are to be shipped on time. Well, mine were to be shipped the week of May 16th and I still have not heard from the local post office. I have been keeping in touch with the local post office and they know to call me as soon as the bees arrive, but they said no bee packages have arrived. I emailed Long Creek and left a phone message asking to inform me of any delays so that I may know when to expect delivery, but have not received any response. I wish that if weather was delaying any more deliveries, they could make it easy for customers and post it on their website. Otherwise, we can't help but wonder if our experience with them will be like some of the unhappy customers who have posted here. I am getting worried. I did see some happy Long Creek customers post messages, so that gives me some hope.

  6. #206
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    Yes you may have reason to worry, sounds like the same story but a different chapter...May I ask where did you see happy customers post? I sit here waiting for a refund of $936.90 sent on 3/3/09 and hear about other people getting their orders filled from this season. My wife told me the other day that I was turning blue, I told her I was still holding my breath after walking down to the mailbox to see if my refund check was there for David Winters....

  7. #207
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    I don't spend much time on this forum, so I can't say which thread, or if it is still there. But when I did a search on Long Creek, I remember some positive responses. One said that his Russian packages from Long Creek out performed other races of bees in his same beeyard. If I remember correctly, he even had a picture showing how many supers he stacked on it. It is possible that I am thinking of something I saw on another website altogether, but I do remember the name Long Creek Apiaries with that post. I think there is a beekeeping forum on gardenweb. Maybe that is where I saw it?

  8. #208
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    If the guy has sold any bees at all, it's possible someone, somewhere, has had a good experience.

    This does not negate the emotional turmoil he is inflicting on others.
    "Thinking Inside The Box"

  9. #209
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Given all the negative responses on this thread, one would have to bee a fool to order from this guy.

  10. #210
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    It is amazing to me that this guy can continue to steal and get away with it.
    Someday he will take money from the wrong person.
    God be with him when that day comes.

  11. #211
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    I am a brand new beek and live fairly close to Long Creek. I am scheduled to go and pickup my first package and queen from David this Sunday at 3:30 (Russians). I'll let you know how it goes. I'm more than a little concerned based on all of the negative threads.

  12. #212
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    My guess is if you are physically going there and actually seeing the guy, he will cough up the goods.

    He will probably also launch a charm offensive on you and tell you how bad the world has been treating him.
    "Thinking Inside The Box"

  13. #213
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNBeek View Post
    I'll let you know how it goes.
    Why anyone would support this guy with current purchases when he owes people from orders taken months/years ago is beyond me. As Oldtimer said, you'll get a story from him for sure. Too bad people who have already paid him money can't get either their money back or the bees.
    Regards, Barry

  14. #214
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    . ....Too bad people who have already paid him money can't get either their money back or the bees.
    100% of these people won't take the bees so why don't you say "can't get their money back" which is inaccurate as I have never said that their money won't be repaid. Most of the postings here are from people that I have never had business dealings with but are here to create an impression on the uninformed. They hide behind their screen names because if they published their names, I can say "I have never done business with this person."

    This should create another hundred or so responses. I wonder how high the counter on this forum will go.

  15. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    as I have never said that their money won't be repaid.
    Notice I didn't say "won't be repaid" but "can't get their money back." You've promised a lot of things to a lot of people. Now you're going to place the blame on these people for not wanting your bees.
    Regards, Barry

  16. #216
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Mark, if you have questions or comments on how this forum works, please address it with a moderator in private. It is not open for general discussion.
    Regards, Barry

  17. #217
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    Alright David now you have hit a nerve.You know who I am, I wanted your bees,I felt that from discussions with you that this stock would be a good addition to my breeding stock.I gave you 2 seasons, waiting patiently for my bees,and being in N. Michigan there is a point where a package has no time to build up for a michigan winter, so asked for a refund after seeing no bees.I was told in 6/09, that I would get a check in 30 days.Then last season I saw that you shipped packages to people who ordered in the 2010 season, ignoring my order from 2009! so do you think I could trust you to come thru with bees this season? you specifically asked me if I wanted bees or a refund this year and my reply was send my refund. I have posted that I would give you a positive post when I see my check,and have again been more than patient.When you fire off a post like your last one it makes me feel that I am on your blacklist of people that will never see anything, bees or refund. I tryed to negotiate in private e-mails and never could get a response, so only then while saying I don't like to air dirty laundry in public, did I post on this forum.

  18. #218
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    Quote Originally Posted by beemaster01 View Post
    ....... Most of the postings here are from people that I have never had business dealings with but are here to create an impression on the uninformed.
    I was not referring to you. I was referring to those who post here that are NOT my customers. If only those that were my customers posted on this thread, then it might be only a few pages long, depending on how many times each of them posted. Of course, Becky Bersch has a extensive blog dedicated entirely to this issue. So, it might be longer than a few pages after all but it would be repetitious.

  19. #219
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    Default Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiary

    beemaster...you are a crook...a thief...some people don't have the money to throw away...you say you can't repay,why not?I received a dead package from you that was insured&you got the insurance payment....gee you are a real good crook...you got paid twice for 1 package&I don't have bees from you yet...no pity for you
    Last edited by Barry; 05-29-2011 at 07:05 PM. Reason: profanity

  20. #220
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Why anyone would support this guy with current purchases when he owes people from orders taken months/years ago is beyond me. As Oldtimer said, you'll get a story from him for sure. Too bad people who have already paid him money can't get either their money back or the bees.
    I paid for the bee package back in January before I discovered this forum. I wanted to get pure Russians due to their over wintering ability and the resistance to mites, ect. I also wanted to buy from a local source.
    I can only report my experience. I met David today at his Apiary. Pleasant guy. I picked up the bee package that I will install today just before twilight. No problems. Everything so far just as promised.

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